I tried hoarder and I didn't like the way listed view works. I prefer the simplicity of the view provided by Linkding. I find hoarder new auto tagging with ollama something I want to use because I am lazy.
For references there are many options in selfhosted bookmarking apps market. These beside Hoarder are the most known software.
When I use a tool like this one of the most important things is that it works offline so I can read something in a plane or on the go.
I've looked into most of these (and instapaper, pocket, etc) and ultimately found Wallabag to be the best. However, their app is quite buggy and site is fairly clunky for my taste. Luckily there's a pretty recent 3rd party client that works offline super well and is on Mac/Linux/android/iOS for free (yay flutter) https://github.com/casimir/frigoligo
Also, I'll note that it's basically a must to use the browser extension with the option to download via what the browser sees if you get content from a lot of sites. That being said the devs are super responsive to reports that sites aren't being scraped appropriately.
My biggest wish is that they supported YouTube (at least titles) and they had a way to indicate when a article needs to be scraped client side.
I've had wallabag on my radar for quite a while, but I keep ending up on "... but what even is it?".
Obviously it archives things for later reading. It works great for that on my e-reader, and I'm super glad it exists and KOReader supports it.
But the API[1] is largely undocumented and undescribed, so I'm kinda at a loss as to what the goals and possibilities are, because the app leaves quite a lot to be desired for e.g. replacing personal cataloguing on something Delicious-like. It seems tailor made for small, barely-customizable offline reading (save it for reading later, maybe with tags, then archive it and don't look at it again), despite the API apparently (maybe?) offering a lot more (but not describing it so it's hard to know how it's intended to be used).
Is there, like... documentation somewhere? Particularly with capabilities / intent / goals? I'm hesitant to sink much time into it without some idea of how it thinks of itself, building a bowl of Hyrum-slaw on top of a shaky foundation is no fun for anyone involved. If it's mostly just what the core app presents, it's probably not what I want.
Kind of a shot in the dark, but would you (or anyone else here) remember the name/website of a similar subscription app that was modern/minimal in appearance, and iirc was developed by Chinese devs? I remember seeing it I think on HN itself, likely as a comment somewhere. (I think folks were concerned about the data storage/privacy aspect, but iirc the service was very well designed/comprehensive).
Seems like the tag system is flat, which is a big limitation on the organization capability.
For example, I noticed that in the demo access app, there's a note about cooking, and it has 4 tags:
- `baking`
- `cupcakes`
- `oven cooking`
- `recipe`
This would get out of hand quickly.
There should be a hierarchy of tags (categories):
`cupcakes` in `baking` in `oven cooking` in `recipe`
The only tag needed in this case for the note would be `cupcakes`
Hi there! I am extremely glad to read someone else write about this necessity!
I own and operate a "list-taking" app[0] in which every list/kanban-item can itself be a list/kanban.
I currently use it for things I'm the creator of -- tasks, story outlines, etc, but looking to introduce 3rd party content for task management (I want to see GitHub tasks from work next to my own tasks) and, as you say, knowledge management of things like recipes or music.
Items could be part of one or multiple hierarchies. A list of "cake" recipes could be under both "baking" and "party essentials", and music playlists could include other playlists.
As you can tell, this can become convoluted in my mind, and so if that's something that's interesting to you (or anyone reading this), please reach out and let's discuss! hn at nestful.app
I may have come across your app before in passing, but hadn't checked it out. I playtested aspects of a "productivity system" (grain of salt) with paper earlier this year.
"Spontaneous productivity" mirrors some of my own thinking on the subject, especially the JIT and bubbling aspects and how they work together. I haven't seen how it works in the case of Nestful, but I'm keen to try it out. It may adjust the design principles guiding development.
The tagging system is indeed flat, but the lists can be nested. The idea being that tags are usually AI generated, and there's a lot of them (which is useful for search), but lists are meant for manual curation and this is where you can have whatever structure you want.
IMO it would be interesting to try to combine the two approaches (curation + auto tagging).
It starts out with the user scaffolding an initial hierarchy, then (after enough usage to provide meaningful data for ML predictions) the ML model predicts on subsequent entries, and asks the user for approval (which feeds a reinforcement learning model)
Hierarchies get out of hand quickly too. You will soon find that different people (or the same person at different times) create different hierarchies for the same thing and that the same thing belongs in multiple places.
A flat tagging system doesn't require much curation while nested tags require someone to decide what tags are members of what other tags. Taken to the logical extreme a hierarchical tagging system becomes a full blown ontology.
I've saved ~50k .webarchive files from Safari in a single folder, indexed via Spotlight — not an archivist's dream, but I'm a sucker for using anything in the OS stack.
How do you save them? I would love to save every page I go to automatically since storage is so cheap and between sites disappearing and the web being so huge it can be impossible to find something later.
I must ask, in your github readme you say "[Planned] Downloading the content for offline reading." but what does that mean in the context of a self hosted application? Isn't the data already downloaded - via the other features such as "Full page archival" and "Automatic fetching".
I guess one small request - could the chrome/firefox extension include a way to transfer the page data from the browser, as it's being displayed to the user? (as in, transfer the entire page/html instead of the page's link). This would likely result in much better support for nasty sites like twitter and such that require credentials, etc..!
The offline reading thing is bad wording from my side. I mean offline reading on the mobile app (when you don't have internet access / access to the server).
FYI: On the login, it tripped me up a couple of times because the username is case sensitive. There is a tradeoff between security, useability, and support requests; the input is labelled email, and email addresses are usually not case sensitive (and as email addresses used as email addresses are never case sensitive) so it confused me.
TiL. I always assumed emails were case sensitive, and doubly so if used as a username. I find it strange that you even discovered this 'wrong' behaviour on the site in question: you purposefully typed your email address with different casing when logging in vs. registering?
Question for ya since I'm working on an app with similar platforms - and dont know what I'm doing. I see you used expo for the mobile apps but nextjs for the web app. Why didnt you use expo for the web app too?
I use Evernote since what, 2005, 2008? Yet I hate every time I start it up. Such ugly bloatware it has become. And the silly “AI powered” features tacked on when it became fashionable… Man, replacing it would feel so good.
I replaced Evernote with Joplin about 5ish years ago. It was super easy in my case, so maybe it's worth checking into. I haven't used the desktop app recently, but it was always snappier than evernote at the very least.
I use Obsidian for note-taking and personal knowledge management. I haven't used "save for later" bookmarklets or apps since I quit using Evernote many years ago, though.
If people are interested it was featured hear on HN a day or two ago but Obsidian released an extension called Obsidian Clipper that can save webpages in markdown format.
https://github.com/obsidianmd/obsidian-clipper
- Pocket for bookmarking.
- Onenote for longer form less structured note taking on copied/linked base material or needing exposition (somewhat reluctantly). Occasionally Word.
- Anything/Jetbrains : Markdown for short form or dev docsor with intuitively clear sub-structure or heirarchy. (Pseudo)Code and comments for simple codable ideas, python-like.
- Scapple for mind-mapping high level concepts, collections of related ideas or things, associations rather than hierarchies
- Search inside the description of the bookmark, it doesn't.
- Update to a new version of hoarder. Since the software isn't stable, it's a real problem.
- Related to the previous point => More archive formats.
Otherwise, it's a very good software. Easy to use, nice front-end, good UX.
Hey, Hoarder's maintainer here. I'd like to know more about the pain you're facing when upgrading hoarder. All the releases since launch has been backward compatible, and it has always been just a matter of updating the docker images.
Also for searches, Hoarder indexes all the content of the websites it crawls. If it doesn't for you then that would be a bug!
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For references there are many options in selfhosted bookmarking apps market. These beside Hoarder are the most known software.
Linkwarden (https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden)
Shaarli (https://github.com/shaarli/Shaarli)
LinkAce (https://www.linkace.org/)
Linkding (https://github.com/sissbruecker/linkding)
Wallabag (https://wallabag.org/)
Shiori (https://github.com/go-shiori/shiori)
I've looked into most of these (and instapaper, pocket, etc) and ultimately found Wallabag to be the best. However, their app is quite buggy and site is fairly clunky for my taste. Luckily there's a pretty recent 3rd party client that works offline super well and is on Mac/Linux/android/iOS for free (yay flutter) https://github.com/casimir/frigoligo
Also, I'll note that it's basically a must to use the browser extension with the option to download via what the browser sees if you get content from a lot of sites. That being said the devs are super responsive to reports that sites aren't being scraped appropriately.
My biggest wish is that they supported YouTube (at least titles) and they had a way to indicate when a article needs to be scraped client side.
Obviously it archives things for later reading. It works great for that on my e-reader, and I'm super glad it exists and KOReader supports it.
But the API[1] is largely undocumented and undescribed, so I'm kinda at a loss as to what the goals and possibilities are, because the app leaves quite a lot to be desired for e.g. replacing personal cataloguing on something Delicious-like. It seems tailor made for small, barely-customizable offline reading (save it for reading later, maybe with tags, then archive it and don't look at it again), despite the API apparently (maybe?) offering a lot more (but not describing it so it's hard to know how it's intended to be used).
Is there, like... documentation somewhere? Particularly with capabilities / intent / goals? I'm hesitant to sink much time into it without some idea of how it thinks of itself, building a bowl of Hyrum-slaw on top of a shaky foundation is no fun for anyone involved. If it's mostly just what the core app presents, it's probably not what I want.
[1]: https://app.wallabag.it/api/doc/ and https://doc.wallabag.org/developer/api/methods/
regarding youtube, my youtube links saved with wallabager browser extension always show the correct title, are you using something else to save them?
Public mode? I'd like people to NOT have to log in.
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For example, I noticed that in the demo access app, there's a note about cooking, and it has 4 tags: - `baking` - `cupcakes` - `oven cooking` - `recipe`
This would get out of hand quickly.
There should be a hierarchy of tags (categories): `cupcakes` in `baking` in `oven cooking` in `recipe`
The only tag needed in this case for the note would be `cupcakes`
I own and operate a "list-taking" app[0] in which every list/kanban-item can itself be a list/kanban.
I currently use it for things I'm the creator of -- tasks, story outlines, etc, but looking to introduce 3rd party content for task management (I want to see GitHub tasks from work next to my own tasks) and, as you say, knowledge management of things like recipes or music.
Items could be part of one or multiple hierarchies. A list of "cake" recipes could be under both "baking" and "party essentials", and music playlists could include other playlists.
As you can tell, this can become convoluted in my mind, and so if that's something that's interesting to you (or anyone reading this), please reach out and let's discuss! hn at nestful.app
[0] https://nestful.app
"Spontaneous productivity" mirrors some of my own thinking on the subject, especially the JIT and bubbling aspects and how they work together. I haven't seen how it works in the case of Nestful, but I'm keen to try it out. It may adjust the design principles guiding development.
IMO it would be interesting to try to combine the two approaches (curation + auto tagging).
It starts out with the user scaffolding an initial hierarchy, then (after enough usage to provide meaningful data for ML predictions) the ML model predicts on subsequent entries, and asks the user for approval (which feeds a reinforcement learning model)
Hierarchies get out of hand quickly too. You will soon find that different people (or the same person at different times) create different hierarchies for the same thing and that the same thing belongs in multiple places.
I guess one small request - could the chrome/firefox extension include a way to transfer the page data from the browser, as it's being displayed to the user? (as in, transfer the entire page/html instead of the page's link). This would likely result in much better support for nasty sites like twitter and such that require credentials, etc..!
As for your request, we're tracking this in (https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder/issues/172), which aims to do exactly what you're asking for.
“Data Not Collected — The developer does not collect any data from this app.”
*bookmarks it in huge Trello list where cool bookmarks go to die*
I use Evernote since what, 2005, 2008? Yet I hate every time I start it up. Such ugly bloatware it has become. And the silly “AI powered” features tacked on when it became fashionable… Man, replacing it would feel so good.
It's very good. Some points that can be improved:
- Search inside the description of the bookmark, it doesn't. - Update to a new version of hoarder. Since the software isn't stable, it's a real problem. - Related to the previous point => More archive formats.
Otherwise, it's a very good software. Easy to use, nice front-end, good UX.
Also for searches, Hoarder indexes all the content of the websites it crawls. If it doesn't for you then that would be a bug!