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pohl · 9 months ago
This was a great little article. Very fair summary of the situation.

After the demise of Twitter, I first tried Post.news — which had great branding but failed to get the everything-is-a-tweet model right (comments were 2nd class citizens to posts).

Then I moved to Mastodon, which I enjoy. Mastodon’s biggest issue is the enormous UX hurdle to pick an instance before even signing up, though. That and the lack of a unified view (mentioned in the article) will probably keep it niche. Also lack of quote-tweeting, a deliberate choice.

BlueSky is the first truly worthy successor. It’s better than Twitter in its prime, before it went algorithmic. It allows quote-tweeting but gives the quoted party control over the scenarios that Mastodon was trying to prevent by avoiding the feature entirely.

infotainment · 9 months ago
Agreed about that they nailed the UX for BlueSky in terms of “best possible Twitterlike”.

That said, my biggest concern is how they plan to make money. With BlueSky being completely open at the moment, there is effectively no possible monetization strategy for them without making major breaking changes to the protocol.

For example, if they added ads to the app, someone could just write a client that didn’t have ads. Donations are another possibility, but probably wouldn’t be enough to pay for the servers.

rsynnott · 9 months ago
Twitter had third party apps with no ads for over a decade without the sky falling. Few people use anything other than the default.
rsynnott · 9 months ago
In fairness, Mastodon apparently is working on quote-tweeting. AIUI to do it properly (ie, like Bluesky, with the ability to remove quote-tweets etc) requires changes to ActivityPub.

Bluesky, at least for now, has the advantage that they essentially control the protocol, and are the only significant user; they can move a lot quicker. It’ll be interesting to see how this evolves.

dpig_ · 9 months ago
I vastly prefer comments as second class citizens anyway. Twitter felt like such a rat's nest sometimes.
IAmNotACellist · 9 months ago
It's so user-friendly that you get banned for sharing any remotely controversial opinion. Just like the good old days of Twitter!

Twitter/X is actually a balanced discourse site now. CNN even admitted that the party affiliation of its users went from majority-left (65/31) to split down the middle, 48/47. https://x.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1861445812175147353

transcriptase · 9 months ago
Yes but mars man bad.

Ergo if everyone who hates mars man proclaims that the alternative to mars man website is “the next big thing” and “exploding in popularity” loudly and often enough, then maybe it will actually become popular outside the mars man bad crowd.

You know it’s manufactured when news outlets are comparing App Store download rankings of X and BlueSky. The new app versus the one that’s been around for nearly 20 years and already present on most devices it ever will be.

Meanwhile in the real world nobody has heard of BlueSky or really cares that people they’ll never interact with no longer get banned for being bigots on X.

npinsker · 9 months ago
Change doesn’t happen all at once, right? Bluesky may still not have the mindshare — but two weeks ago they were 3-4 coin flips away from unseating Twitter, and now they only need one more. That they could become the leader in their category was unthinkable, and now it’s not.

Besides, 25 million users is plenty already.

tomlockwood · 9 months ago
That reads like massive cope.

Twitter fundamentally offers no killer feature. Being "around for nearly 20 years" means nothing.

fabian2k · 9 months ago
The people active on Twitter are a small subset of "the real world", and the move to BlueSky is certainly very noticeable there. About 80-90% of people I was following on Twitter have a Bluesky account now, most of them are actively posting there. And this is not just a left-wing bubble, I mean I don't follow any Trump supporters but there are plenty of people in my feed that would usually be considered conservative.
thegrim33 · 9 months ago
After all the hullabaloo recently I went and looked at it for the first time.

Here's my true first-time user experience: The first 10 posts recommended to me were 1 comedian making a joke, 2 pictures of space, and 7 hate-based partisan political posts. All from one extreme end of the political spectrum. You can guess which. I instantly left and will never go back.

For what it's worth, I also do not use X.

IAmNotACellist · 9 months ago
I'd agree the default user experience is shit (and I felt it was shit on old Twitter too). It's like a shotgun of shit at the wall to see what sticks. But once you engage with content you want (which can be entirely non-political and niche-interest based) that goes away.

Or at least I suspect so. I often end up being interested in politics and thus get more of it, but I'm not complaining. I get a good mix of my specific interests, art, humor, cute animals, and politics.

notadoc · 9 months ago
> Twitter/X is actually a balanced discourse site now. CNN even admitted that the party affiliation of its users went from majority-left (65/31) to split down the middle, 48/47

To repeat a quote I have seen repeated in dozens of email signatures (below the pronouns, of course!)

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

ruthmarx · 9 months ago
> Twitter/X is actually a balanced discourse site now.

That might have a chance at being true if the owner didn't flood the network with deliberate misinformation and block dissenting opinions.

GloomyBoots · 9 months ago
That was true previously as well. The most substantial difference between Jack and Musk is that the former was better at maintaining a professional demeanor. His biases were no fewer, his tenure at Twitter was markedly more censorious, but he was better at presenting himself. This seems to be the main distinguishing feature of American liberalism as opposed to conservatism. The point about misinformation is another place this can be seen. There's a lot of misinformation from both mainstream political camps in the US, but liberal misinformation is more dressed-up whereas conservative misinformation is downright clownish--Alex Jones being a good example.
dustyventure · 9 months ago
Where are the 400 million left leaning party members from to make up for the US?
dzhiurgis · 9 months ago
Well first post I’ve seen was “punch a nazi” and then bunch of other hate towards right-wing.
latentcall · 9 months ago
Are people mad about anti-Nazi sentiments? I guess people’s memories really are short.
oDot · 9 months ago
Every time there's a Bluesky or ATProto post I comment with how I think their killer feature is video.

Their smart use of domains makes it so that their equivalent of "channel" can be an actual website, that will offer you recommendations when you watch videos on it exactly like YT, except you control the algorithm.

Users will get much better choice and experience over the already excellent YouTube, but most importantly the creators will be able to express themselves however they wish. They will rent hosting from a provider, shows ads from an Adsense-like service, and actually own both their content _and_ their subscriber list.

I've been wanting to build it, but I'm always deterred by how ATProto is still tightly linked to Bluesky itself.

ChrisArchitect · 9 months ago
Getting tired of these samey sort of 'look what a revolution Bluesky is' posts. Yes, it's doing well. A boom. A recent boom. But I also anecdotally am not seeing huge swathes of engagement or migration depending on niche. It was like that when the whole Mastodon exodus happened a few years ago also - both in the numerous excitement posts, and the niche-specific migration. Let's just see where it goes. The thoughtpieces are endless and lack any real insight or substantive data.
slowmovintarget · 9 months ago
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123yawaworht456 · 9 months ago
>Someone's pushing really hard to make Bluesky happen

yeah, there are 1-2 posts on the frontpage every day now. totally organic

autoexecbat · 9 months ago
All that really matters is: where do the advertisers choose to put their dollars
verdverm · 9 months ago
Allegedly, Bluesky does not plan to ever have ads on their app. They have some other monetization plans, yet to be announced publicly
dlachausse · 9 months ago
Ah yes, the tried and true South Park Underpants Gnome business model...

1. Make Twitter/X Clone

2. ???

3. Profit!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomes_(South_Park)

rglover · 9 months ago
I switched to Bluesky yesterday due to the bots/zero engagement on X.

It's basically become yelling into the void. Started out in 2007 and it was great for finding people and getting interest in your projects, but now, I just get a bunch of spam bot follows and on an account with 3,600+ followers, only 30-40 views at most per post (w/ no engagement).

loevborg · 9 months ago
Same for me. 1,000 followers and barely any engagement. I swear it used to be different. My posts weren't any less dumb years ago, but I used to at least get a few replies and likes, even retweets.

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