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mmoustafa · a year ago
> "In the end, Sable agreed to pay Cloudflare $225,000, grant Cloudflare a royalty-free license to its entire patent portfolio, and to dedicate its patents to the public, ensuring that Sable can never again assert them against another company,"

Holy cow, that’s incredible. Cloudflare has single-handedly shut down one of the biggest tech patent trolls. I don’t know how they possibly got Sable to agree to those terms, but kudos to Cloudflare counsel.

neom · a year ago
My understanding is that it comes from the top, kudos to CF counsel for sure, but also Matthew Prince who has a storied career of fucking with bad actors. Thanks Matthew!

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/cloudflare-s-matthew-pri...

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CodeWriter23 · a year ago
Sable was on the hook for costs after losing. I imagine this settlement was a fraction of what they owed. If there is truly justice in this world, Sable principals will have to go out of pocket for tax liabilities and costs associated with shutting it down.
ozim · a year ago
So it was not justice - just predatory capitalism finding out that there is always a bigger fish. Cloudflare wasn’t doing that from goodness of their heart, they were protecting their own profits.
itcrowd · a year ago
Not sure whether I understood the following :

If Sable dedicates their patents to the public, what does it mean for CF to be granted a "royalty-free license to its entire patent portfolio"?

aeadio · a year ago
I imagine if later they try to renege on that public grant, CloudFlare is still shielded.
bluelightning2k · a year ago
Good spot, smart comment. Didn't occur to me but ofc you're right.

Still feels good to see the troll fall

bazzargh · a year ago
From the Cloudflare version: "Sable IP is merely a shell entity formed to monetize (make money from) an ancient patent portfolio acquired by Sable Networks from Caspian Networks in 2006. Caspian Networks was a router company that went out of business nearly 20 years ago"

... if the patent portfolio is 20 years old, they must all be right at the end of their lifetime (the one in the lawsuit expired a year ago). Probably not worth it for Sable to keep them.

jongjong · a year ago
Maybe they had compromising info on their directors.
xbar · a year ago
Sabre was a charming little Santa Clara network company, decades ago.

But some incompetent entrepreneurs and a shabby LA law firm tried to win at a patent trolling. The outcome is hilarious only because I am not paying Cloudflare's lawyers.

metafunctor · a year ago
Sabre or Sable?
myworkinisgood · a year ago
Sabre is the company in Office which buys Dundler Mufflin
iwontberude · a year ago
Thanks for the context, not sure why people downvoting you.
fortran77 · a year ago
Because it's "Sable" not "Sabre" (That's why I downvoted.)
btown · a year ago
Discussion on the Cloudflare announcement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41730415
metadat · a year ago
Thanks! Macro-expanded:

Patent troll Sable pays up, dedicates all its patents to the public https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41730415 - Oct 2024 (409 comments)

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ChrisArchitect · a year ago
No. There are no others. It's too recent. Because it's a DUPE.
bluelightning2k · a year ago
Weird that nobody in comments is mentioning that this is also a PR win.

It does a few things: 1. Makes it far less likely they get sued for patents

2. Gives them phenomenal leverage in any other type of lawsuit where they are defending - "if you think we're bluffing that we will take this all the way..."

3. It's a great PR win, winning coverage and widespread respect. I am absolutely certain it was worth the money for this alone

rmbyrro · a year ago
Although this is a dupe of a ~1500pt previous discussion, I'd love to see these news on HN front page for several days. It's so delighting to read
jalapenos · a year ago
One step short of "and the directors of Sable will be paraded around in public in gimp suits"
lofaszvanitt · a year ago
Remember, this doesn't mean that you, the small guy, must not patent anything, on the contrary.