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Animats · a year ago
This is up at 17 GHz. It's not the attempt to take over the 900MHz ISM band.
exabrial · a year ago
Same.

There's plenty of spectrum available. For purchase. Contact T-Mobile or Verizon.

throwaway48476 · a year ago
The biggest mistake the FCC made was using spectrum to maximize revenue and not value for taxpayer.
blackeyeblitzar · a year ago
Maybe there is a way to force them to release unused spectrum for free?
pockybum522 · a year ago
I about had a heart attack before I clicked on it and realized that.
m3kw9 · a year ago
Wait until Apple puts 17ghz receivers in their iPhones
Molitor5901 · a year ago
Is that feasible in an iPhone? Could an iPhone with just one more radio become a sat phone?
lxgr · a year ago
They already have 30 GHz hardware (for 5G mmwave)!

I don’t think either spectrum will be feasible for direct to cell satellite communication in the short term, though.

idunnoman1222 · a year ago
The KU band is already used by satellites, A tweet discussing what this actually means would be more useful than this fcc.gov page
bigtones · a year ago
This is the US FTC. How are they able to boldly mandate what frequencies are used in space for orbiting satellites given their jurisdiction is scoped to the domestic USA? Would that not be the ITU's jurisdiction - FTC dont set communication rules for the entire galaxy.
forgot-im-old · a year ago
It's already approved by ITU, just was not by FCC. In fact this Ku band is already used in downlink by Starlink as described in comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41662676#41664592
RF_Savage · a year ago
I thought the Ku-band user access frequencies used by Starlink was 12GHz down and 14.5GHz up?

As those are the easy to license frequencies globally. Not to mention, 17GHz is far away from 12GHz and 14.5GHz, so the antenna complexity also goes up. And the teardowns of civilian Starlink terminals have not shown dual band antennas so far.

dotnet00 · a year ago
It's about downlinks, so, obviously, they're mandating it for within their area of jurisdiction, i.e. within the US. Plus, the notice itself says that this approval only brings the US more into alignment with international allocations.
rkagerer · a year ago
Was this always in the works, or has recent 'competition' pushed them to speed up unlocking this bandwidth? (e.g. Apple's Emergency SOS, Starlink Direct to Cell, etc)
mikeyouse · a year ago
See page 3 onwards here;

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-22-63A1.pdf

It's been in the works since 2007 to allow direct space-earth communication in that band, with the big push to allow much wider service coming in 2020.

whaleofatw2022 · a year ago
Would this be the ASS spectrum or the ASS band?
yieldcrv · a year ago
Nice, the CBRS spectrum and municipal auctions were a big success in opening up new markets

I like this narrower approach the FCC is taking

rmac · a year ago
The amount of spectrum the US military "owns" in the United States is absurd and needs to be adjusted - and at this point the excuses for why they can't vacate are making them look geriatric

Yet another reminder. What happens when you have organizations that aren't beholden to outside pressure

idunnoman1222 · a year ago
spwestwood · a year ago
I've loved this chart for years and wish they'd update it more frequently. I think this 2016 version is the most recent.
pooper · a year ago
As a compromise, I am willing to add conditions something to the effect of some of the spectrum ceded by the military can be temporarily reclaimed for exclusive in case of a ground invasion on the continental United States. I mean I don't think a ground invasion on the continental United States is likely but if putting language like this makes the military feel better, I am ok with it.
JumpCrisscross · a year ago
> can be temporarily reclaimed for exclusive in case of a ground invasion on the continental United States

This is a silly line to draw. In an existential conflict, the military gets what it wants. Commandeering spectrum would be a basic part of war powers; we’ve done it before and would do it again for stakes much lower than an invasion of the homeland [1].

So the practical value of such a proposal is in messaging. Given the threshold wouldn’t have covered the attacks on Pearl Harbor, 9/11 or even a nuclear first strike, the only thing messaged is unreasonableness.

Put another way, were I a lobbyist for the military to the Congress, I would want someone to propose this language. Because it lets one brand, with a laugh, the entire effort as being as ridiculous as the caveat.

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-confiscated-half-b...

edm0nd · a year ago
The US is thankfully positioned in the world where it's pretty geographically isolated compared to let's say for example EU countries. I agree, I don't think a large scale ground invasion could ever be a possibility as they would be detected and get rekt way before even reaching anywhere near the US.
throwaway48476 · a year ago
Militaries increasingly use civilian technology instead of developing bespoke tools. For example the military could use some of their spectrum for proprietary wifi but it would be uneconomic.
SV_BubbleTime · a year ago
You are free to attempt to take it, but I recommend you first become a farmer if you want to have any success in fighting them.

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