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GlacierFox · a year ago
Can a big brain please comment on this because I can't decide if I'm in astonishment or in a state of confusion.

More directly, I have no idea about the domain you've created this software for but I'm in admiration of your resourcefulness.

...from the forest. Haha, very cool.

nitrogenBlue · a year ago
I can understand your confusion! It's kind of a feature because of how seamlessly it integrates into TradingView. What do people use TradingView for? Charting, trading and socializing. TradingView has functionality for placing trades/orders but it is unweildly and basic. My program adds functionality _into_ TradingView's web GUI itself.

One main feature of NBT: There is an ETF with the ticker SOXX, indexing semiconductor companies. There are two ETNs SOXL(3x leveraged) and SOXS(3x leveraged inverse). People day-trade these because they regularly move 1%-6%+ within a day. If you think SOXX is going to go up, you buy SOXL and if down then you buy SOXS(rather than short selling). To make a trade with TV it takes about 5-10 clicks and involves making calculations and opening windows and entering numbers in. With NBT you press Go Up or Go Down - that's it. To exit your position, you press Close Up or Close Down. It's waaay faster and when you are trading like this it needs to be fast(fast to take action, not buy and then quickly sell type of fast).

There is other functionality but this is a good example because most of my interface real estate is dedicated to trading these ETNs.

kinnth · a year ago
Nice idea! I am your target audience, i TV+IBKR+Day Trade. I know this is your first launch but i definitely needed a video to see what it was you had created, with only a single screenshot i wasn't clear on all your functionality.

I am based in the uk so i don't think its available in my webstore. I also use the TV app most of the time but happy to use the browser to get this to work.

The biggest thing for me preventing me from using it, is security and privacy. As this is my financial institution I am highly cautious about installing or using any data mining or services with access to my API. How can you alleviate or make it clear what you do with data and also what your app has access too?

nitrogenBlue · a year ago
Yes, I need to make a video definitely. Problem is IBKR has a minimum captial requirement for subscribing to real-time market data! And my program requires real-time data because it only uses limit orders right now so it would look wonky - placing orders that don't go through and executing trades that have results that don't correspond with the display. There is other functionality that I can show maybe.

It should be in the UK Chrome Web Store - it's only not in the EU. Can't have homeless people writing software!

I really have put myself in a quite a pickle. I am going to have to return to Canada where I can get a job and keep working on this at the same time.

Can someone recommend something on Mac to make such a video?

To address the security and privacy issues - very very important given the nature of the software. When you have created an account on my website, the first time you open NBT inside TV you will be asked for your login password. You will then be asked for a data password. This data password is never transmitted to the NB server. The data password is used to encrypt your saved data (like order history, and settings). This encrypted data is saved to my server with a salt and an initiation vector, both of which are rotated every time you enter your data password at login.

NBT desktop interface connects to my servers for three reasons.

First, at login to get a jwt token, to download a json object with operating data and default settings, check subscription status, and to download the encrypted ciphertext which the user has saved there.

Second, during usage to upload said ciphertext when saving.

Thirdly, there is the 'bridge'. When activated, this opens a websocket connection to the NB server. This is used for the mobile interface and for trade-on-TradingView-alert. When you set an alert in TV you put a key (that is generated when you create a trade under the GenTrad button) in the message and set it to webhook. This key consists of one part which has meaning to me, the hookKey, and one part, the tradeKey which has meaning to you but not to me. The hookKey tells me to which websocket connection to route the alert to, and the tradeKey tells your desktop interface which saved trade to execute. The fact that I don't know what the trade key means to you conceals what trades you are making from my knowledge.

The mobile interface is connected over the bridge as encrypted data packets within an encrypted websocket connection. The encryption is done using the data password. So you enter the same data password at both ends, your phone, and the desktop interface and authentication and authorization is established between the two by showing one another that you can encrypt data properly.

All data processing is done client-side.

Just hearing myself talk about this makes me feel like I might be confusing people haha not to mention that for some reason I'm telling stories about a forest. Although this is the best place to discuss things like how I have isolated myself and my server from knowing people's secrets.

nitrogenBlue · a year ago
Sorry, to add, NBT connects to IBKR by intercepting your oAuth client secret as TradingView talks to IBKR and then builds valid authorization headers to send its own requests. This information is never sent to the NB server, over the bridge, or saved in your ciphertext.

The data it stores in the ciphertext is order data from the /orders API. Right now the data processing just does things like figuring out which orders relate to one another to see your PNL for individual trades and days/weeks kind of thing.

nitrogenBlue · a year ago
Today I am launching the company Nitrogen Blue(NB) and its first software, Nitrogen Blue: Trader(NBT). I will begin with the personal side of the story.

Funny founder (or cautionary) story: for the past ~100 days I have been living in a tent in the forest outside a small town near a major European city. I've been working in libraries, cafes, hotel lobbies, park benches, the airport, cafes, etc. Anything to stretch out my bootstrap resources.

4 years ago I decided I was going to open a software company and try and break free from a life working in the service industry. I bring a lifetime of tinkering with tech and 20 years of experience in the service industry to the table, which I believe has given me a unique perspective on system design - systems run restaurants, people run systems.

When I set out traveling 2 years ago I had a set amount of resources saved up to bootstrap the company. 16 months ago I had decided on a market, a problem and a product. I thought it was going to take 3 months to get to first launch, so here I am!

There is a small hill that I hike up everyday where I can judge my physical energy level, which remains high. I have lost weight but I am just a little leaner now, so no problem. I spend a lot of time and energy on things like gathering food and water, finding electricity, setting up and taking down/hiding my camp every day, etc. The balance between surviving and working is a welcome one.

The problem that I am solving is that TV's and International Brokers(IBKR)'s trading interfaces are extremely frustrating to use.

The great thing is that NBT doesn't inhibit TV's own trading functionality, if that's what you're familiar with, it simply adds a new pane that can be opened and closed as if it was part of TV itself. It piggybacks on the existing authenticated connection between TV-IBKR and adds functionality including the following: - single-click buying and selling of charted securities - single-click leveraged/inverse pair ETN trading - simplified position sizing - in-program conditional trading (stop loss, take profit, etc) - advanced order creation - trade execution on TV alert webhooks - trade history storage and analysis - in-program paper trading - overnight trading - a functional picture-in-picture interface - a mobile/remote control interface (not being released today)

I would like for everyone to be able to play with the actual software, but it only works with CHROME+TV+IBKR. It is also not available in the EU because they require an address to do business there, and, well, I live hidden in a forest.

I am very happy with the way it has turned out! It began as just a program so one could single-click trade leveraged/inverse ETN pairs but during the early months I began to realize how much I could do and that I could provide functionality that spreads across multiple types of traders/investors. The feature set being released today is just a subset/base of some much larger concepts that have already taken root including a unique AI integration (no, it has nothing to do with the markets or prediction or anything like that).

My stack is JS, CSS, HTML, Node, NGINX, ArangoDB, Debian, Linode, Stripe. I have avoided using anything, like libraries, that I don't absolutely have to use.

I only have about 2 weeks of resources left which has really pushed me through all my fears about launching the company. The next few weeks are going to be the challenge of finding ~200 users to keep the company alive.

I see Nitrogen Blue becoming a trusted software company with a suite of both open and paid software that strives to bring-value-to rather than extract-value-from. I am open to finding a co-founder that is able to bring capital and business alpha - I just want to write great software.

My el3kr0nik mail, no nomburs: p1s2o3i4@5p6m7.8m9e0 if you're interested.

Thanks for your attention! I hope you enjoyed my story (if not at least found it cautionary:)).

MikeDelta · a year ago
What an amazing story to where you are today. Good luck!

BTW: IBKR stands for Interactive Brokers, I haven't seen them use International in their name.

nitrogenBlue · a year ago
Ouu good catch!
__m · a year ago
Why did you chose ArangoDB when you are resource constrained? Incredible story btw.
nitrogenBlue · a year ago
I chose ArangoDB because I intend to use some of its graph functionality for other projects that I have in mind. It has been a pain to use but at the end of the day it's not so bad. Copilot seems competent in writing AQL code, its native language and they have improved their documentation.
sharpshadow · a year ago
Before Nitrogen Blue I was thinking about snacks during commercial breaks. Now with NBT I can’t wait for the next commercial and earn profits on my couch.
nitrogenBlue · a year ago
Thanks for the laugh! Now when I sit down on a park bench and pull out my laptop I'm going to be thinking about you sitting on your couch watching commercials pressing all the little buttons making the numbers go up and down in their colourful glory!