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Posted by u/ahmed546 2 years ago
Where to Move?
Hi,

Just got my bachelors in computer science and masters in software engineering.

I have Dutch EU passport.

At some point in my career I want to have my own business, but taxes here (Netherlands) are really high.

I prefer cold weather and want highest standard of living possible. I want to settle down and raise a family of two kids.

Where should I move to?

mtmail · 2 years ago
Nobody likes taxes but the highest standard of living, including infrastructure, hospitals, security have to be paid for somehow.
ahmed546 · 2 years ago
also I don't care about public transport and stuff

I'm fine getting around by car mostly

not sure about the security part, Dubai has no taxes and is very safe (although really really hot)

leftcenterright · 2 years ago
are ability to express your opinions freely, participating in a democratic process and having no internet censorship part of your expectation from "highest standard of living"?
ahmed546 · 2 years ago
true, but I mean highest standards with lowest amount of tax as a business owner
flakyfilibuster · 2 years ago
how much did you pay for your education though?

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throwaway11460 · 2 years ago
You're EU citizen so you have free entry to Switzerland. I'd seriously explore that.

Another option could be Poland, Czech Republic, Bulgaria.

huevosabio · 2 years ago
San Francisco, it has the right cultural mix for starting a company, amazingly beautiful city and nature, enough cold and sun throughout the year.

Don't listen to the bad press, not because it's untrue but because it's incomplete. The bad things are bad, but the good things are glorious.

hnthrowaway0328 · 2 years ago
Come to Canada, find an IT job, grind for 2-3 years, apply for immigration, apply for citizenship, find a US contractor job, grind for 10-15 years, find a gov job, relax for 15 years, retire.
ahmed546 · 2 years ago
US contractor job while living in Canada? Would that pay higher than a Canadian contract?

What about education and stuff for children? Will it be very expensive?

What type of wealth do you think I can build up with this plan?

Kind regards

curmudgeon22 · 2 years ago
US tech wages almost always pay a significant premium over Canadian companies. However, most US companies have separate Canadian pay bands to match the lower Canadian salaries.

Education isn’t cheap, but it’s less crazy than the US. Also, you don’t have to pay to go to the doctor.

How much money you can save will depend largely on where you live. Toronto and Vancouver are pretty expensive, there are lots of cheaper options that would help you build wealth with a good paying remote job.

ih · 2 years ago
I just moved to the Seattle area and like it so far. It's very scenic and cool so far temperature-wise (although getting warmer over the years from what I read). I have family here, but even if I didn't, it'd be a strong candidate because of the weather (I'm ok with cloudy and cool), nature/scenery, and the tech industry. Housing is quite expensive though so raising kids may be more difficult...
ahmed546 · 2 years ago
yeah I heard Seattle was the best for money in the US,

the weather is great, I like rain while working tbh

I'm pretty sure it's really hard immigrating there though from the netherlands

(correct me if I'm wrong)

toast0 · 2 years ago
For immigration to the US, I don't think an origin of the Netherlands qualifies you for an special visas, but it's also not an 'impacted' country where there are backlogs several years (decades) for immigration in some categories. If you've got a masters degree, that may help you qualify in some visa categories that might speed up processing.

If you don't have any family connections, you're likely to need an employer to sponsor you, but because you're not from China, India, Mexico, or the Philippines, the process shouldn't take forever, if you have an employer willing to go through the process.

A typical path is to work for a multinational employer somewhere you've got work authorization, with an intent to transfer to the US at some point, and then work towards a green card (permanent residency) and maybe citizenship. The US immigration process is really too slow (and random, if you're coming in through H-1B) to hire fresh grads from other countries directly into the US.

2rsf · 2 years ago
> I prefer cold weather and want highest standard of living possible. I want to settle down and raise a family of two kids.

While the on-paper taxes in Sweden are high (and salaries are lower) you get back more than in the Netherlands, especially with kids. I can compare my quality of life with acquaintances in the Netherlands and ours is definitely higher, having a similar background.

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ipaddr · 2 years ago
The obvious choice is to go to Germany. Another option is to go virtual and stay in your country until you reach a point where the tax savings make sense. Canada might be a good choice for nature and business. England could make sense.
ahmed546 · 2 years ago
Germany seems really similar to the Netherlands, how is it an obvious choice?

With virtual you mean working remotely and then keeping your clients while making the move? Or trying to build some kind of business completely online?

England seems similar to Netherlands too. Canada might be interesting, although I wonder why so many Canadians immigrate to the US.

yellow_lead · 2 years ago
There was a recent article posted here about how difficult it is to setup a company in Germany though.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39959368