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Posted by u/anandasai 2 years ago
Ask HN: How do people create those sleek looking demos for startups?
I have been seeing people build product demos or show off their updates via videos - complete with zooming in on the active function and all. How do they make it? Can't find any straight forward tools online for this. Ex: https://x.com/LeapAI_/status/1781001036481613851
peteforde · 2 years ago
Arcade looks genuinely great, so thanks for posting this question.

Several folks have already mentioned that the real value of screen capture tools is to create assets that can be used by a person whose job it is to explain abstract concepts to an audience. I would go so far as to say that if you're a founder, hiring someone who is really good at product videos is something you should 100% outsource even if you're talented with storytelling and motion graphics. It's a distraction from your key priorities, and you don't have enough distance from the subject matter to be objective about what's okay vs great.

I'd like to add that it's really debatable that a video where someone rapidly zips around an interface that they haven't used is actually something people want to see. I suspect that on its own, such a video is often not the huge win that it might seem.

Also, if a process is really easy (press a button, enter a credit card) then you can bet your ass people will soon be tired of seeing the same presentation with different marketing copy.

Things that were absolutely novel at one point include: agent chat widgets in the bottom right corner, presentations that tween and zoom on every slide, infinite scroll newsfeeds, captchas. All timeless things people love more and more every day, right?

tomgs · 2 years ago
I actually do that as a service for companies:

https://syntaxcinema.dev

I think that product tutorials are somewhat of a black art. On the one hand you have:

1. Keeping the flow moving and the video fast-paced and interesting

2. Adding aftereffects and other visual niceties

3. Pointing out the relevant bits with zooms, highlights, etc...

But on a deeper level, you also have questions of:

1. Am I using the right sample app to demonstrate my use case?

2. Is the feature I'm using bulletproof? Do I need to change something in the DOM of the application since that feature is not 100%? Do I need to not show a piece since it's irrelevant? Do I need to speed through or flip over from things while they're running / fetching / compiling / generating etc...?

3. And, maybe most importantly, what is the message I intended to deliver? Is that a product overview? A documentation-oriented video? A demo for a conference or a customer? Who's my audience? Am I speaking to them?

I've been doing videos for a while, and I found that the second part of the problem is actually not as easy as one would assume.

I applaud great YouTubers for that - they cracked how to do walkthroughs of products that are not only technically interesting, but also visually pleasing.

I'm a bit of a video nerd, I guess. I started out way back when doing these little nuggets of absolute terribleness (oh my god the thumbnail) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlM7w0mARnn4ytxM6s-0b...

And happy to say I improved a little bit from then :)

(that website's pretty new, comments more than welcome)

Terretta · 2 years ago
At what point in the process do I tell you I read somewhere that lack of pricing on a website sucks so give me a discount?

Some point before we've bargained on the pricing, or after? :-)

peteforde · 2 years ago
I love everything about this.

Your site looks great. Your service is very needed.

My only advice is to stop apologizing for not offering pricing on your website, both here and on your website. Seriously: cut it out. Go right now and remove those <10 words that imply you have something to explain. It's completely normal to have a conversation about something like this before you commit to building it because if you don't have chemistry, you're not going to take the gig.

What you do is the literal best-case scenario for value based pricing. After having read "The Win Without Pitching Manifesto" by Blair Enns, some of the comments on this thread feel like mosquitoes trying to get in between your toes.

If you absolutely must, you can say something that alludes pricing that won't get you fired by your board. However, even that is too much word, because what you do only "costs" money until it either a) launches the company or b) keeps a failed company from having spent way, way more.

Okay, maybe I do have a 2nd suggestion. It's not as urgent: consider morphing the 3/5/7 minute "products" into "products" that reflect the typical reason those lengths work eg. "The Product Video", "The Explainer" and "The Demo". Even in this thread, people get hung up on the length instead of the goal of the outcome.

It's much more useful for all parties to think of them not as lengths, but formats.

TL;DR: stop apologizing, consider doubling what you charge

fragmede · 2 years ago
still, give me a ballpark for pricing. is this a $50 thing, $500, or $5,000? how many videos so I get for $50,000?

that looks super neat and I'd love to do those for people. if there was a way to get those kinds of jobs, one-off, I'd give it a try. RIP taskrabbit.

pando11 · 2 years ago
Btw for Arcade - you can implement agent chats with our Intercom integration: https://app.arcade.software/share/B0jj3mbbJOWUrWvmzY2a?ref=s...
eru · 2 years ago
To miss the sarcasm:

If the agent chat actually works, I like it.

abraxas · 2 years ago
For me it never does. Always throws me to a human agent. I haven't had a single case where a bot solved my issue.
jasperstory · 2 years ago
That one is ScreenStudio - it's a great product!

I'm a founder at Yarn (YC W24) – we're building in this space and launching on HN soonish.

We often see teams combining ScreenStudio with products like iMovie, AfterEffects, or Veed. Other products in the space to check out are Tella.tv, Kite, or Descript.

For more advanced motion graphics, you'll often need a freelancer or agency.

Feel free to drop me a message (email in bio) to talk through options!

jamesbfb · 2 years ago
I’m a dev lead who is a rusted on Linux user, I’ve always hated that ScreenStudio is Mac only since it’s a great product. Any plans for Linux support? I would love the ability to dem stuff and have it actually look pretty.
jasperstory · 2 years ago
The problem is that a lot of the details requires macOS accessibility permissions (identifying active window, measuring cursor movements), so there's non-trivial platform specific code.

For product demos specifically, best bet might be a Chrome-extension-based product like Arcade!

duckmysick · 2 years ago
This would be difficult because mouse and window controls are different in X11 and Wayland.
bcjordan · 2 years ago
ScreenStudio is really good, I use it for all of my capture. Main feature I find missing is ability to reorder or combine multiple recordings into one clip, or add audio from within the app.
ldenoue · 2 years ago
You can do that with ScreenRun (which I developed) https://screenrun.app/
victorbjorklund · 2 years ago
ScreenStudio looks nice. And thank god a pay once app.
jasperstory · 2 years ago
Yep although to be precise it's a pay-for-a-year-of-updates model, and the underlying macOS APIs in this space change significantly between minor and major macOS releases, so ymmv in terms of "pay once forever". (For upcoming features like shareable links, they'll presumably move to a part-subscription pricing model.)
vunderba · 2 years ago
Agreed, as far as I can tell, this is the only one in the space that doesn't insist upon a monthly payment.
shafyy · 2 years ago
+1 for ScreenStudio, use it and love it.

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mavsman · 2 years ago
A lot of fragmented promise for video editing amongst these different apps. Hopefully someone will make a comparison chart for these. Good luck on your launch!
yodon · 2 years ago
I'm baffled why you'd name your product in a way that conflicts with a heavily used front end tool.
rrrx3 · 2 years ago
Another +1 for Screen studio. I use it legitimately daily in my Product Design job, and not just for customer-facing demo videos.
ImHereToVote · 2 years ago
Mac only?
jasperstory · 2 years ago
Many of the apps are macOS only unfortunately. For Windows, there's Descript or Camtasia. Linux not sure, but Descript and Veed are browser-based.
bawabawa · 2 years ago
I work for https://www.canvid.com, and we recently released a beta version of our product, which is similar to Screen Studio but designed for Windows. If we see enough interest, we may even release a Linux version around Q3.
heyarviind2 · 2 years ago
ScreenStudio looks amazing, thanks for sharing
TheFreim · 2 years ago
How long is the Yarn wait list?
jasperstory · 2 years ago
Not sure. Hopefully next 4-6 weeks. Building as fast as possible with current teams – but lots of tricky webGL, Swift, and headless Chrome involved.
SushiHippie · 2 years ago
My 2 cents:

I really don't like these demos, they are really nauseating to me.

As I generally don't like videos with many/fast transitions like many popular YouTube videos and movies are, I'm probably a minority in this regard.

chihuahua · 2 years ago
This one was quite pointless. It's someone scrolling some web page from top to bottom, with a few gratuitous zooms and some mouse pointer movement. What am I supposed to take away from this? I can't even read all the text, and there's no voice-over, so really all it communicates is "we have a web page that says supercharge your growth with AI"
SushiHippie · 2 years ago
Yeah for this particular example a link to the website would be way more informative/helpful than the video.
pikpok · 2 years ago
Others mentioned ScreenStudio (which is awesome), but if you don't need all of its features (or can't afford it at the moment), I've found ScreenRun to be a great alternative: https://screenrun.app/

It's browser-based, but there's a Mac (and Windows I think) companion app that records the screen with click-tracking for zooming (as it's not possible with browser screen sharing just yet). It's somehow limited compared to ScreenStudio, and the interface feels cheaper compared to a native Swift app, but for my needs it gets the job done.

ldenoue · 2 years ago
Thanks happy you like it. Send us feedback for new ideas
pando11 · 2 years ago
Hi everyone! I'm the CEO of Arcade (who a few people have already mentioned...thanks!).

+1 to that being ScreenStudio.

Sometimes people import ScreenStudio videos into Arcade to add branching, annotations, and get analytics about who is engaging with the tool.

We're about to announce a big release on May 17th which will be very relevant - we're going to show how you can capture beyond the browser and get even more powerful analytics (https://www.linkedin.com/events/7189307779977818112).

Happy to answer any questions here as well.

pando11 · 2 years ago
purple-leafy · 2 years ago
Hey mister Arcade CEO, from a fellow entrepreneur and extension developer (there are dozens of us!), have you found any pros/cons of building in the extension space versus a typical web app?

I basically exclusively build extensions because I strongly believe most startups and devs overlook the space

pando11 · 2 years ago
Sorry for the delay here. Extensions are great. There's plenty of examples in this space that have become big companies (Loom, etc.) Chrome also has the highest market share, and even upstarts like Arc Browser are built on Chromium so they work on those platforms. The only real downside is that they're difficult to test and deploy frequently (there's always a lag between pushing a new update and it being deployed, unlike when you own your own release schedule) so it's annoying to constantly have to discover when your extension was updated.

P.S. It's ms. ceo ;)

destraynor · 2 years ago
Thanks for featuring Intercom in your site :-)
smarri · 2 years ago
Hello Des, I recently watched the intercom video series that kicked off about AI. I thought it was absolutely terrific! Great production and content.
uncertainrhymes · 2 years ago
No specifically for video, but I've always had a soft spot for this site:

https://tiffzhang.com/startup/

It semi-randomly creates the site of a recently-launched startup. It is nine years old now, and completely nailed the overused style of the time.

The company names are also excellent. I wonder how many accidentally became real.

davio · 2 years ago
I like how the current customers exist within the same fake startup universe
danenania · 2 years ago
I made the demo video for https://plandex.ai myself using CleanShot X (https://cleanshot.com/), Adobe Premiere Pro, an effect I bought in Adobe's marketplace, some AppleScript automation, and music from SoundStripe (https://soundstripe.com/).

It was my first time using all these tools. It took me a couple days to make the video. Premiere is a bit of a beast, but by just asking ChatGPT how to do everything, I was able to get up to speed with it pretty fast.

marban · 2 years ago
CleanShot is also included with SetApp
dfeehrer · 2 years ago
CEO at Kite (YC S23) here, thanks for the mentions!

Like Screen Studio, Kite lets you record your screen and automatically zoom in on the action.

But with some key upgrades:

- Combine multiple recordings

- Add text scenes with animations

- Place your recordings on a 3D device like a phone or laptop

- Add music and AI voiceovers

With lots more in the works.

It's still early, but we have lots of startups using Kite regularly for feature-launch videos. We're live on Mac OS and have a waitlist for Windows.

Get in touch if you have pain points in this space. Happy to chat any time!

https://kite.video

soared · 2 years ago
> Place your recordings on a 3D device like a phone or laptop

What does this mean?

dnsbty · 2 years ago
I'm guessing they mean overlaying the screen recording on top of a 3D render of a phone or laptop to show them being used "on device" instead of just as a flat screen recording.