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Ekaros · 2 years ago
Clear issue is that why are these not separate systems or pages entirely. Registering for this process should be entirely separate from using it. And if also paper forms are accepted, whole process should need more tracking from canditate.
falcor84 · 2 years ago
That site clearly had UX issues and I'm glad it was redesigned, but I disagree with your statement in principle. I think it would actually be great for democracy if every time you were asked to support some official, you had a call-to-action for taking their role.

On that note, I don't see any issue whatsoever with 82 people running for presidency - why not more? "Politics are too serious a matter to be left to politicians" -Charles de Gaulle

Wowfunhappy · 2 years ago
> On that note, I don't see any issue whatsoever with 82 people running for presidency

I wouldn't have an issue if the election used ranked choice voting.

Otherwise, however, it could be a disaster, with the winning candidate only having a tiny percentage of the vote.

simonw · 2 years ago
They are now - the site was redesigned once this problem became clear!
joemi · 2 years ago
For a country whose population is just 399,189 (according to 2024 census), I don't think what you propose is necessary.

Edit to add: I'm not sure if you added the "or pages" later or if I just missed it when replying, but my response was specifically about the suggestion that they should be separate systems. Separate pages totally makes sense, and I do think that's a good solution.

throwway120385 · 2 years ago
Yeah, it was actually neatly resolved here by applying separation of concerns and just doing the totally different things on different pages. People wanting to endorse a candidate are not the same as people wanting to be a candidate.
technothrasher · 2 years ago
I remember watching a bit on TV years ago about the president of Iceland flying commercially just like any other passenger. I thought at the time there was no way the president of a country really flew around like that. Years later I found myself sitting behind the president of the Turks and Caicos islands on a commercial flight and thought, "huh, I guess I was wrong."
resolutebat · 2 years ago
The Prime Minister of Singapore, a country that could very easily afford a fleet of private jets if they wanted to, travels on Singapore Airlines. If you're a frequent flyer based on Singapore, running into extra security because he's on board is a not-uncommon occurrence.
bobthepanda · 2 years ago
Singapore also specifically prides itself on its airline being rated one of the best in the world. Though I don't think the Emir of Dubai flies Emirates.
netsharc · 2 years ago
A little related: during the 2008 economic meltdown, the finance minister of Iceland was about to fly out of the country to meet other FM's and talk about the crisis. He was wondering if he should take cash with him, so worried he was that credit cards would stop working...
dotnet00 · 2 years ago
A lot of leaders of smaller countries don't bother with most of the VIP treatment we see from the big ones. If the country is relatively at internal and external peace there isn't all that much danger to their safety.
Salgat · 2 years ago
I don't think people realize how tiny the population of Iceland is. For some perspective, Detroit's population is 60% higher. The mayor of Austin TX governs over double the citizens as Iceland's president.
seabass-labrax · 2 years ago
My question is how you recognised the president of the Turks and Caicos islands - I'm certainly not qualified to pick him out in a crowd! Perhaps you live on said islands?
polemic · 2 years ago
There's a whole wiki page for this! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_sta...

Here in New Zealand there is a military transport option but it's always breaking down and, by all accounts, nowhere near as comfortable as a commercial carrier.

LouisSayers · 2 years ago
I don't get why they don't just fly Air New Zealand anyway given that the govt owns 52% of it...
draculero · 2 years ago
The current president of Mexico, at the beginning flew commercial flights but after a year or two he got tired of the sneering and insults (well deserved).
Wohlf · 2 years ago
Iceland's population is less than that of Wyoming, and I wouldn't be surprised if the governor of Wyoming was on a normal flight.
culopatin · 2 years ago
The president of Argentina intended to fly commercial but security told him to stop that.
rurban · 2 years ago
I was flying once with the president of the EU commission that time, a socialist Portuguese. The highest ranking European. I loved Barroso. Two rows ahead of me, and a lot of people started talking to him.

Think about von der Leyen flying commercial :)

readthenotes1 · 2 years ago
"People don't read" should be tattooed on the back of every designer's hand.

Of course, they won't read it before they design something that requires deep engagement through reading.

teddyh · 2 years ago
“1. Users don’t have the manual, and if they did, they wouldn’t read it.

2. In fact, users can’t read anything, and if they could, they wouldn’t want to.”

— <https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/26/designing-for-peop...>

pmontra · 2 years ago
3. And if they do read something, they don't understand what they read, either because it's poorly written or because they start from different assumptions than the ones the writer had in mind.
_carbyau_ · 2 years ago
I like to think about design as a communication medium.

So for most stuff the manual goes straight to the shelf. Unless it is something particularly powerful or complex, I see having to refer to the manual as a failure in UX design.

So yeah, I don't want to refer to the manual.

alexchamberlain · 2 years ago
But who would read the tattoo?
educaysean · 2 years ago
Just the designers? Tattoo it on the back of everyone's please
btilly · 2 years ago
Is there any point in tattooing it on the back of the hands of people who don't read?

That said, https://readabilityformulas.com/readability-scoring-system.p... is a good sanity check. Over half of people can't read text above a grade 8 readability. Worse yet, we aren't conscious of the effort that reading takes. Not until we are struggling. So competent people have little sense of the barriers they create.

klyrs · 2 years ago
Also, a good warning sticker to put on books
jonwinstanley · 2 years ago
This is bad/confusing design for sure. Add this to the (probably) huge list of examples.

I remember there was a terrible UX error a while back in Hawaii wasn't there?

And the "butterfly ballot" issue in the 2000 election is another.

jarofgreen · 2 years ago
jonwinstanley · 2 years ago
Yes. Crazy. False positive missile alerts are kind of upsetting to people
ljf · 2 years ago
imzadi · 2 years ago
For a clear illustration of how much that ballot screwed Al Gore, look at Pat Buchanan's vote in Palm Beach county, compared to every other county. He clearly got 2000+ votes that were meant for Al Gore. Gore lost by less that 550 votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidentia...

stcredzero · 2 years ago
I keep on noticing moments bad UX creeping into apps, more and more, for little possible benefit. Do frontend people simply not think about 2nd and 3rd order consequences anymore?

Here's an example: Disappearing affordances. For some reason, the button to remove the background from Google Meet went from being its own "Remove Background" button, to all background thumbnails becoming a toggle button.

This is fine, so long as the selected background is visible. But if it's not, perhaps because the selected background is outside the viewport of the scrollable selector, then what's happened, is that the affordance of the "Remove Background" button simply disappeared.

irrational · 2 years ago
The thing that surprises me the most is the page is in English. I know nearly everyone in Iceland is very fluent in English, but they all speak and read Icelandic too.
crote · 2 years ago
That's very common in smaller countries. The government exists to serve its citizens, not the other way around. When you know a significant minority is less than fluent in your somewhat-obscure local language, providing a translation for that minority is almost a no-brainer.

For example: I am a Dutch citizen. Due to the European Union I have the right to live and work in Iceland. If I were to move there, I'd gain the right to vote in local elections (not national ones, gotta be a citizen for that) - without speaking a word of Icelandic. I'd also have to do taxes, renew my driver's license, and all the other government stuff.

Either I and the thousands like me are going to use Google Translate and screw it up, or they'll just have one of the many bilingual workers provide an official translation. It makes a lot of sense to just translate all official government pages, making an exception for this specific page is probably more work than just translating it too.

Scoundreller · 2 years ago
Also because Europe, thanks to the frequency of jus sanguine, people like me can be born and raised in Canada but be a citizen of some European country because my parents were born in its predecessor country many decades ago. So I’m eligible to vote (tho I don’t), but minimally speak that language and have spent minimal time there.

I’d also assume Google Translate will do better translating from English to $OtherLanguage than Icelandic to $OtherLanguage. So makes sense to put up a translation into English (or other common language) and make sure it’s correct.

wasmitnetzen · 2 years ago
Somewhere around 7% of people in Iceland don't speak Icelandic[1][2].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Iceland [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_language

einherjae · 2 years ago
Both English and Icelandic versions are available (potentially hidden in the burger menu on mobile): https://island.is/forsetaframbod
Defenestresque · 2 years ago
When you land on the page, it defaults to Icelandic (it did from me and I'm from Canada): https://island.is/forsetaframbod

However, it does have an "EN" button near the top right. Personally, I think this is as close to a perfect solution as you can get. (Geolocating an IP or something has a whole bunch of problems than just going with your country's official language as a default.)

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haukur · 2 years ago
English has become entrenched as the de facto second official language of Iceland. It's a very depressing trend for the conservation of Icelandic, and the ongoing promotion of English will only continue to exacerbate its decline.
dhosek · 2 years ago
I remember in the 80s when the Nordic TeX Users Group was formed, they did all of their official communications in English so as not to privilege any of the national languages of their membership.

Similarly, English is a standard language in India in part because of the linguistic diversity of the country¹ and being an outsider language means that communications in English don’t privilege any of the indigenous ethnic groups, although it seems that English usage has been dropping in favor of English.

1. English usage was supposed to have been phased out fifteen years after independence, but the mandated sunset was changed by constitutional amendment in 1963 (apparently a year after the sunset date(!)). India has 22 scheduled languages—i.e., languages receiving constitutional recognition and encouragement—but there are 122 major languages with more than 10,000 speakers. I think India wins the prize for the greatest linguistic diversity among the nations of the world.

jononor · 2 years ago
Would you prefer another second language, or that people refuse fo speak anything but Icelandic?

Jeg snakker norsk, men det er alikevel vanskelig å forstå islandsk!

userbinator · 2 years ago
In the redesigned version, the “Log in” button has been replaced by a link that reads, “establish a collection of endorsements,” which is much, much clearer.

That seems unnecessarily verbose, and still slightly ambiguous. How about "Endorse a Candidate" and "Become a Candidate"?

Akashic101 · 2 years ago
This would help a bit, but loads of people still see a button and click the button without realizing what they click on. It's best to keep stuff as far away as possible, especially when one of the actions is to become the potential president of Iceland
remram · 2 years ago
Honestly this is worse than a "design issue" of the button styles or "people not reading" here.

"Register to collect endorsements" does not explicitly say whose endorsements. It is possible to read this sentence as a (slightly odd) way to say "Register to have your endorsements collected".

"Collect" is a rather ambiguous verb, if I saw a button on a different website saying "register to collect favorites", I would understand that the website is building the collection, from my clicking on items... not that others will fav my profile.

"Register as a candidate to collect endorsements" would have been much clearer, whether the visitor read the preceding block of text or not.

golergka · 2 years ago
I assumed the page was in Icelandic and the author translated the UI for his english-speaking audience?...
luplex · 2 years ago
Nope, there definitely is an english-language version, at least of the site that's live now.

https://island.is/en/presidential-election-candidates

arnorhs · 2 years ago
Or simply: "become a president"
titanomachy · 2 years ago
I think Amazon has a patent on "becoming a president in one click", you might have to pay them some royalties.