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Posted by u/icdtea 2 years ago
Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?
Hi all,

I am getting ready to start searching for a new position and am wanting to move from a hybrid position to fully remote to offer some flexibility with familial obligations but but I'm not entirely sure whether or not that's a realistic goal in this job environment.

Recently I've seeing some sentiment that suggests the job hunt process for us in tech has been improving, and that recruiters are starting to reach out more often than in the last year. If you've recently switched positions, what was your experience like and do you have any advice for those who are currently looking to change positions? For those that have gone remote, any specific insights?

spuzz · 2 years ago
About a year ago, I sent out over a hundred resumes, got 3 callbacks, most of which weren't serious, and then there was one job I wrote a cover letter for because I matched everything they were looking for and handily got the job.

So it's both impossible and very very easy.

I think tech hiring is going to be a knife fight for a long time, because we're long past the point where only the thoroughly interested are looking for jobs in this industry, and there's so much money in the field that competition is high enough for people to take "towers of hanoi in optimized big o" interview tests seriously (probably because they cut the candidate field down to a manageable number)

>For those that have gone remote, any specific insights?

Be ready to manage your time, it's very easy to let 15 minutes off for chores turn into blowing off a whole day.

t-writescode · 2 years ago
> Be ready to manage your time, it's very easy to let 15 minutes off for chores turn into blowing off a whole day.

Alternatively (and in my opinion, more importantly), manage your 'at work' time. It's very, very easy to let working become your whole self.

Get out of the working space and SEPARATE your working space from your living and thriving space from your working space is absolutely vital to avoid burnout.

reaperman · 2 years ago
Everyone is different. I'd love to be able to work for 5-8 hours per day consistently. I have the opposite problem that you're talking about. I do agree what you say is very important for many people.
mxsjoberg · 2 years ago
> Be ready to manage your time, it's very easy to let 15 minutes off for chores turn into blowing off a whole day.

nice, self discipline like a 12 year old :P

thaumaturgy · 2 years ago
Uniformly terrible.

I started looking casually for a new position last July, then in earnest last October, and then my previous contract ended in middle of February and I "lucked" into a new contract in middle of March. ("Lucked" because I was contacted out of the blue by a good recruiter for a good firm, but also that contact was somewhat the result of a lot of prep work I had done.)

I'm a generalist developer with small-firm management experience, 45, still picking up new stuff all the time despite working in tech for over 20 years, and with some decent extracurriculars.

I sent out many, many applications. A percentage of them required homework of varying kinds -- tests or generating and filling out a profile that contained all the same data as my resume. Most of those never resulted in an interview, so it was all wasted effort.

I had several promising leads evaporate at some point during the interview process because the company changed their mind about the position. Other interviews never provided any feedback whatsoever.

My current contract is for a firm that needed someone with extensive PHP experience, which I have, but they were a Ruby-only shop and needed to do a technical evaluation on me. So, I spent a week preparing for that interview until I was reasonably comfortable with basic Ruby, only for it never to come up during the interview after all. And, like, these seem to be pretty good people overall -- it's just emblematic of the state of things.

I very, very nearly quit tech to start working towards becoming a personal trainer, and may still do so at the end of this contract. In my view, getting hired right now is in some ways even harder than it was during the dotcom bust of the early 2000s. If you are a specific kind of person -- 20s, maybe some college, and experience at a FAANG, and "senior" or "lead" after just a couple of years in the industry -- then you might have some options.

Hiring processes are fractally broken though. People are getting hired, there are jobs available, but there are also hundreds of applicants for any position within a few hours of the position opening, and because hiring processes are so broken, it's quite hard to stand out as an applicant.

msarrel · 2 years ago
There's a huge push to get everyone back into the office 5 days a week. Be prepared to be told NO remote work.

I have a similar experience to the previous comment, applied to about 50 jobs and got 2 interviews. Removed all dates from my resume and now I'm getting interviews left and right because they can't tell how "senior" I am.

mpeg · 2 years ago
Did you also remove some roles so that it looks like you're younger? I've heard that is the only way to get interviews these days as senior cvs are getting thrown out (too old, too expensive)
UncleOxidant · 2 years ago
I thought they weren't hiring entry level devs anymore because the higher ups think that AI can do those jobs?
tomwphillips · 2 years ago
This would raise a lot of eyebrows in the UK. Hiring managers might wonder what you’re hiding.
loa_in_ · 2 years ago
Let them wonder. They're wondering on paid time, the potential candidates aren't
UncleOxidant · 2 years ago
Was laid off at the end of '22. Started looking around March of '23. Had maybe 10 interviews over the course of 4 months. Got to the 3rd round at one place, but then they ghosted. Quit looking in June to focus on other stuff. Got a call from a recruiter in late September '23 about a gig - got to the 3rd round again, but they went with someone else. I dip my toes in every month or so to see what's out there, but basically I decided to retire since I just don't care to do the whole tech-interview/hazing ritual anymore.

Recently a friend hooked me up with a friend of his who is working on an AI accelerator chip startup on a shoestring. So I guess I'm about to start working on that. No pay, just equity, but there's a huge amount of money sloshing around in this space right now and who knows, maybe he can get some funding? Interesting stuff to work on, anyway, even if it doesn't pan out.

I guess the takeaway here is that it's surprisingly easy to find a gig that only pays in equity.

chrisdinn · 2 years ago
In Canada, it seems like there’s a large and growing number of remote jobs available at US software firms through employer-of-record startups like Deel and Remote. Canadian software engineers are surprisingly cheap, relatively speaking, especially when you hire outside the Toronto area.

Economic realities mean there’s quite a bit of downward pressure on CAD right now, so this is likely to continue to be a good deal on both sides for quite a while.

I’m still getting approached by recruiters for Canadian-based remote roles like it’s 2021.

dghlsakjg · 2 years ago
I'm a Canadian resident already working for a US company. I've been out of the job-hopping game since COVID so curious what recruiters and platforms to start poking around on? LinkedIn, etc?
chrisdinn · 2 years ago
My advice is to check LinkedIn for listings but don’t apply that way. “Easy Apply” lowers application friction so effectively that every posting gets ~1000 applicants of which few are actually qualified. I don’t think I ever heard back on a LinkedIn-submitted application even for jobs where I had rare and directly applicable experience.

In the last six months I’ve been hired once after applying (on the website of the company itself) to s job posting I first saw on LinkedIn. I was poached shortly after via inbound from recruiter on LinkedIn

probably_wrong · 2 years ago
> For those that have gone remote, any specific insights?

Make sure that your contract specifically mentions that you'll work remotely. Otherwise your boss can always change their mind down the line.

bongodongobob · 2 years ago
Yeah, if they say "remote opportunities" or "hybrid" it's just a carrot that they can take away at any time. Has happened to me more than once.
mock-possum · 2 years ago
It’s bad.

I’m looking for a front end position - it’s never taken me more than four or five months in the past, and I have more experience and sharper skills now than ever before… and it’s been almost eight months currently. Maybe only 50% of applications out of hundreds even prompt a “thank you but no” form email. It’s almost never personal either, since everyone proxies their hiring process through big job board sites.

It’s insane how little personal engagement with actual humans is happening, I’ve never experienced a job hunt like this before, it’s really making me wonder what I’m doing wrong. Usually I do a few interviews, find a spot that seems promising, and jump right into another contract. I don’t know why it should be different this round.

eastbound · 2 years ago
If I may give the perspective from the other side of the job board, here in France: We pay hundreds or thousands per month, and are flooded with immigrants applications, none of which we can drop before ensuring that they do, indeed, need a visa. When I say flooded, it’s 99% of applications from foreign people who need a visa (and discrimination by address is equally illegal).

So yes, we have quantity over quality with those job boards, LinkedIn and so on, and we had to hire someone to deal with the flow.

reaperman · 2 years ago
Genuine clarification question:

Is that "hundreds of thousands" per month, as in salaries >$1.2 million per year? or do you pay some developers less than $1000/month?

Or are you paying "hundreds or thousands per month" to applicant filtering services?

Or do you have "hundreds or thousands" of different employees receiving a salary every month?

gosub100 · 2 years ago
I got sacked at a W2 contract position at the end of December. It took me 2 full months to secure something. I have 20 years experience in C++. Lots of time-wasting overseas recruiters using scammy tactics, had 3 interviews total, and got one offer. It was scary because I couldn't tell if the slowness was due to my resume (I appear as a job hopper), normal wintertime slowdown in hiring, or a depression in the market. I took my only offer that is weaker on salary than I would like, but it seems relatively stable and I'm just thankful to have an income.
thaumaturgy · 2 years ago
FWIW being a "job hopper" doesn't seem to be a negative anymore, and may even be seen as a positive now. From what I've read, if your application makes it to human eyeballs at all, they're more likely to view a long role at one company as stagnation.
gosub100 · 2 years ago
Yeah in theory if my average tenure has been 1-2 years, I should be desirable because I won't stay long enough to want a raise or try to take any leadership roles from anyone. I'm basically a contractor but without the higher pay.