My 2020 Palisade rolled down a hill after I had parked it with my wife and dog still inside. It rolled over my leg and foot, and I had to go to the hospital. My wife had jumped from the passenger seat to the driver's to stomp on the brakes as it slammed into the car behind us. Transmission grinding away as it rolled down the hill.
> I was taught in drivers education (California) to always set my parking brake because popping out of gear while parked was a common issue.
I was taught this as well, along with curbing my wheels. I have a young family member who was taught exactly the opposite -- setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it.
> I hope Kia and Hyundai learn from this and get OTA updates working for everything.
I hope auto manufactures get away from the "we'll fix it in software" mentality.
> I have a young family member who was taught exactly the opposite -- setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it.
I knew a friend who was also convinced of this somehow. It seems to be a common myth that it’s an “emergency” brake despite the car manual and drivers ed calling it a parking brake and stating it should be used each time, even on an automatic.
> setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it
And this is exactly how people end up with a parking brake that's rusted in place and useless, which they'll discover at the worst possible time. Surreal to hear that's being taught to new drivers as a good practice.
the emergency brake (what a lot of manual drivers call a parking brake) is not usually designed for constant use. esp in older models where the brake was cable-based.
if I lived on the west coast again or somewhere else with a lot of hills, I'd use it all the time along with curbing and leaving it in gear. I grew up on the flat prairie, parking on hills freaks me out
According to documents published by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the intermediate shaft and right front driveshaft of certain 2020-2024 Tellurides may not be fully engaged.
I was interested in reading the actual cause of this failure, but that's an unusually vague description, unless they actually mean driveshafts that weren't fully inserted into the axle/transmission.
Relatedly, I far prefer the old mechanical parking brakes over the electronically-actuated ones which are common now, since you can actually feel them engage. Likewise for the park position of the transmission.
I drive a manual, and even if you park it in gear, with some bad luck and a slighly "worn down" engine, it'll roll, so most of the people just pull the hand brake.
if you've parked a manual on a steep enough grade to overcome a worn engine's compression in 1st gear, you're supposed to leave the steering cocked towards the nearest downhill obstacle, preferably against the obstacle before you even exit the vehicle. (usually it's the curb)
When I first moved to CA people would get tickets for failing to do so... but that was when police still bothered doing things. Nowadays I see more cars parked incorrectly than correctly on hills in the bay area.
Hyundai and Kia will automatically engage the parking break if you have auto hold on when you shut the car off.
Why they don’t always auto engage the parking break is beyond me. It automatically disengages when you apply throttle. Most people would literally never notice it being applied.
I've seen a few electric vehicle models with automatic parking brakes but they literally have to use parking brakes to prevent rolling (they typically have fixed reduction gears). It's somewhat unusual on combustion cars to have automatic parking brakes.
Out here in europe, they usually come with the "second cheapest" (and more expensive) options when buying a car (so the base model doesn't have them, but one "level" higher, you get the automatic parking brakes, automatic AC, cruise control, etc.).
They're usually a pain, because if you want to tow a vehicle with them, you either have to turn the vehicle on, to disable them (not always an option if it's an electrical issue) you have to find the manual release (if the car has one), or in some cases, even remove both rear tires and unscrew a part of a brake assembly.... but yeah... not that odd, with an old renault, you had to remove a tire to change the front light.
Sure, so are on manual cars, but once you go above a "base model" with many cars, you get such goodies like cruise control, automatic AC and automatic parking brakes (which can be a pain to release in case of an electrical failure when towing is needed).
These things are all over my town and surrounding area. I remember two of my neighbors buying them and paying $10k+ dealer markup and I just couldn’t understand why.
Kia’s and Hyundais are made in and around the area I live so you see them everywhere but I could never imagine owning one or paying a $10k+ markup.
I used to work for a Korean company that supplied parts for Kia/Hyundai. That experience combined with my years of managing an import repair shop means that the only brands of automobile that I would feel comfortable purchasing are Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.
> used to work for a Korean company that supplied parts for Kia/Hyundai. That experience combined with my years of managing an import repair shop means that the only brands of automobile that I would feel comfortable purchasing are Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.
To be fair, as someone who’s owned a 2000 ICE and a 2020 EV Hyundai, they have really upped their game.
I’ve driven newer rental cars where the emergency brake was engaged by a button on the console. They call it brake hold I think. Can this fail from software bug?
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Could not recommend the experience less.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Palisade
I hope Kia and Hyundai learn from this and get OTA updates working for everything.
I was taught this as well, along with curbing my wheels. I have a young family member who was taught exactly the opposite -- setting the parking brake was "harmful" to the car somehow and not to do it.
> I hope Kia and Hyundai learn from this and get OTA updates working for everything.
I hope auto manufactures get away from the "we'll fix it in software" mentality.
I knew a friend who was also convinced of this somehow. It seems to be a common myth that it’s an “emergency” brake despite the car manual and drivers ed calling it a parking brake and stating it should be used each time, even on an automatic.
And this is exactly how people end up with a parking brake that's rusted in place and useless, which they'll discover at the worst possible time. Surreal to hear that's being taught to new drivers as a good practice.
if I lived on the west coast again or somewhere else with a lot of hills, I'd use it all the time along with curbing and leaving it in gear. I grew up on the flat prairie, parking on hills freaks me out
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I was interested in reading the actual cause of this failure, but that's an unusually vague description, unless they actually mean driveshafts that weren't fully inserted into the axle/transmission.
Relatedly, I far prefer the old mechanical parking brakes over the electronically-actuated ones which are common now, since you can actually feel them engage. Likewise for the park position of the transmission.
I drive a manual, and even if you park it in gear, with some bad luck and a slighly "worn down" engine, it'll roll, so most of the people just pull the hand brake.
When I first moved to CA people would get tickets for failing to do so... but that was when police still bothered doing things. Nowadays I see more cars parked incorrectly than correctly on hills in the bay area.
Why they don’t always auto engage the parking break is beyond me. It automatically disengages when you apply throttle. Most people would literally never notice it being applied.
They're usually a pain, because if you want to tow a vehicle with them, you either have to turn the vehicle on, to disable them (not always an option if it's an electrical issue) you have to find the manual release (if the car has one), or in some cases, even remove both rear tires and unscrew a part of a brake assembly.... but yeah... not that odd, with an old renault, you had to remove a tire to change the front light.
Kia’s and Hyundais are made in and around the area I live so you see them everywhere but I could never imagine owning one or paying a $10k+ markup.
I used to work for a Korean company that supplied parts for Kia/Hyundai. That experience combined with my years of managing an import repair shop means that the only brands of automobile that I would feel comfortable purchasing are Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.
To be fair, as someone who’s owned a 2000 ICE and a 2020 EV Hyundai, they have really upped their game.
The trim we bought was nicer than a $5k more Explorer in every single way. Even paying $10k over MSRP puts them in line with the segment.
The article talks about a faulty parking brake and that users should engage emergency brake. These are not the same thing I take it?
the emergency brake is separate. usually a handle in the centre console or a small pedal on the left side of the driver side footwell.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/brake-hold-button-car/