In the past, the same group that claims responsibility for this attack,
conducted arson attacks on the public transport infrastructure accusing the train company of collaborating with the military-industrial complex or some similar farfetched excuse.
It seems to me like they just like to start fires and destroy things to cause chaos (under the pretense that there is a political justification for it).
There's a VW factory making gas vehicles pretty close to Berlin. I sorta understand where they're coming from (Tesla emits ~33 million tons of CO2 equivalent per year, and is significantly less efficient than bikes, public transport, or even some motorized vehicles), but this adventurism is at best having little impact, and they didn't really choose their target well.
There's a lot of leftist disruption going on out there but it seems like the politicians only complain of a nonexistent "far right" bogeymen. Seems like endless destruction and defacement of private and public property and rioting, infrastructure sabotage, and disruption to free travel. And all of it justified through a delusional idea of justice or something.
> and called Tesla owner Elon Musk a "technofascist" whose "green capitalism" is "a totalitarian technological attack on society."
This seems insane to me. Is there any justification for this whatsoever? It seems like unhinged, childish, extremist thinking. I always want to find the deeper meaning behind people's actions but here all I see is fear of the unknown. Even if one didn't agree with climate change, why is making cars a bad thing?
What's the unknown ? We're doing what we've been doing for 100 years, but this time "it's clean we swear"...
Run the maths on what 2b+ vehicles represent, making them electric makes it ever so slightly better but still a far cry from clean. And that's not even touching the topic of mining, processing, recycling, &c.
And yes trains and bikes are more efficent but its not Musk who created the car obcessed society. Within society as it actually is, EV are simply a necessity. On the list of bad actors, Tesla isnt anywhere remotly close to the top, I would argue they are a net positive.
2b vehicles can be solar+battery powered electric vehicles with improvements in tire technology. Why don't you "run the maths" on what actually happens when you disrupt EV production. Spoiler, less EV's, more ICE's, more emissions. Job well done!
Some people just want to bring havoc and mayhem. There's no other motivation. They may babble some nonsense along the way, but that's just it. Nonsense. They want pure chaos. Nothing against that, I don't agree with them, but it's probably important to have a bit of a pure chaos in our lives to remind us what's important.
At least it's the better version of pure chaos than terrorism.
They do agree with climate change, these radical leftists are just very very very very anti-capitalistic, and because of that big companies are evil and mining lithium is evil and cars are evil, and Tesla is uniquely evil and anti-union, and individual motorized mobility should be forbidden. Trains and buses should be the solution for low emission future.
In fact it is more insane than the link reported. They claimed it as a „gift for international women day“ and the destruction of the Gigafactory would be a feminist win against „The Patriarchy“ (which is personified by capitalistic technofascist Daddy Elon.)
Well they're (presumably) not going after other electric car makers so I imagine the motivation has to be something somewhat unique about Tesla.
I can kinda see the fascism angle with Musk at the center because yeah you have the cult of personality thing, grandiose promises of changing the world, super anti-socialist anti-liberal (meaning political liberalism), techbro libertarian, scapegoating minorities and "wokeness" as the source of societies ailments. I don't think I agree with the analysis but it kinda fits if you squint so I see how they got there.
Green capitalism I assume they just mean as a synonym for greenwashing which I get but also Tesla isn't particularly egregious compared to other auto manufacturers.
And "a totalitarian technological attack" I can only assume is the fact that Tesla is the poster child for a car manufacturer retaining an iron grip on their product even after it's sold plus the 360 always on networked cameras. It's like the far-right conspiracy about "15 minute cities" but they arrived there taking the left path where it's capitalist shadow government controlling the movements of people instead of government.
Edit: From the sibling comments I can't figure out patriarchy. Elmo is publicly pretty anti-feminist and hurting his wallet hurts his political influence maybeee?
Oh my.. "GigaFactory rapes the Earth, employs slave workers, Tesla's are surveillance tanks on wheels, Elon Musk is $&#^!" etc etc.
I suppose these people have a better plan to avoid climate catastrophe, one that doesn't involve lithium mining, huge battery/EV factories etc, and is somewhat compatible with most other people's livelyhoods? A better plan that can be deployed at scale, yesterday?
Because if not, Tesla's GigaFactories are among the best options in our toolbox. (not to mention: this one built with support from democratic elected government).
This framing is a concession to people who are terrorists. Many people who are optimistically working towards a better future (and here I mean broadly almost anyone) are not arguing for "infinite growth in closed systems." Everyone is and has been trying to optimize things as well as it is in their capability to improve the situation.
I mean, yes, there is an (often unacknowledged) ecological footprint for producing electric cars. They don't just grow from magic trees planted by fairies. But are they net better for the environment, or worse? And if better, then, eco-sabotage people, which side are you on?
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In the past, the same group that claims responsibility for this attack, conducted arson attacks on the public transport infrastructure accusing the train company of collaborating with the military-industrial complex or some similar farfetched excuse.
It seems to me like they just like to start fires and destroy things to cause chaos (under the pretense that there is a political justification for it).
The specific source was: https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/26/23697746/tesla-climate-po...
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-08/trains-in...
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-05/tests-sho...
- https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/internet-co...
They have in common being energy and tlc networks, unclear reasons for the sabotage and unclear actors.
> > So what are they protesting?
> Lack of attention
This seems insane to me. Is there any justification for this whatsoever? It seems like unhinged, childish, extremist thinking. I always want to find the deeper meaning behind people's actions but here all I see is fear of the unknown. Even if one didn't agree with climate change, why is making cars a bad thing?
What's the unknown ? We're doing what we've been doing for 100 years, but this time "it's clean we swear"...
Run the maths on what 2b+ vehicles represent, making them electric makes it ever so slightly better but still a far cry from clean. And that's not even touching the topic of mining, processing, recycling, &c.
https://eurometaux.eu/media/20ad5yza/2022-policymaker-summar...
And yes trains and bikes are more efficent but its not Musk who created the car obcessed society. Within society as it actually is, EV are simply a necessity. On the list of bad actors, Tesla isnt anywhere remotly close to the top, I would argue they are a net positive.
At least it's the better version of pure chaos than terrorism.
I've been there. The other side claims that if you support A you must also support Q, or you are not serious.
Please note: I am not defending the arsonists.
In fact it is more insane than the link reported. They claimed it as a „gift for international women day“ and the destruction of the Gigafactory would be a feminist win against „The Patriarchy“ (which is personified by capitalistic technofascist Daddy Elon.)
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I can kinda see the fascism angle with Musk at the center because yeah you have the cult of personality thing, grandiose promises of changing the world, super anti-socialist anti-liberal (meaning political liberalism), techbro libertarian, scapegoating minorities and "wokeness" as the source of societies ailments. I don't think I agree with the analysis but it kinda fits if you squint so I see how they got there.
Green capitalism I assume they just mean as a synonym for greenwashing which I get but also Tesla isn't particularly egregious compared to other auto manufacturers.
And "a totalitarian technological attack" I can only assume is the fact that Tesla is the poster child for a car manufacturer retaining an iron grip on their product even after it's sold plus the 360 always on networked cameras. It's like the far-right conspiracy about "15 minute cities" but they arrived there taking the left path where it's capitalist shadow government controlling the movements of people instead of government.
Edit: From the sibling comments I can't figure out patriarchy. Elmo is publicly pretty anti-feminist and hurting his wallet hurts his political influence maybeee?
And just by the way, the eco leftists also oppose expantion of the subway in Berlin. So their idea of a solution is incredibly dumb too.
https://kontrapolis.info/12465/
Oh my.. "GigaFactory rapes the Earth, employs slave workers, Tesla's are surveillance tanks on wheels, Elon Musk is $&#^!" etc etc.
I suppose these people have a better plan to avoid climate catastrophe, one that doesn't involve lithium mining, huge battery/EV factories etc, and is somewhat compatible with most other people's livelyhoods? A better plan that can be deployed at scale, yesterday?
Because if not, Tesla's GigaFactories are among the best options in our toolbox. (not to mention: this one built with support from democratic elected government).
I mean, yes, there is an (often unacknowledged) ecological footprint for producing electric cars. They don't just grow from magic trees planted by fairies. But are they net better for the environment, or worse? And if better, then, eco-sabotage people, which side are you on?
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