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romanzubenko · 2 years ago
During the hackathon the team only did a simulated flight, not a real flight, so take the results on effectiveness with a grain of salt. In any environment with significant seasonal changes, localization based on google maps will be a lot harder.
logtempo · 2 years ago
Each 5 days, a satellite from sentinel mission take a picture of your location. It's 8 days for landsat mission. Those are publicly available data (I encourage everyone to use it for environment studies, I think any software people that care about the future should use it).

It's obviously not the same precision as the google map, and it needs update, but it's enough to take in account seasonal change and even brutal events (floods, war, fire, you name it).

lordswork · 2 years ago
Where can you find this data?
josefresco · 2 years ago
Hmm used the links shared below but the picture of my home is at least 4-6 months out of date. What am I missing?
fnordpiglet · 2 years ago
Occurred to me that in a war or over the water this wouldn’t be useful. But I think it will be a useful technology (that to be fair likely already exists), in addition to highly accurate dead reckoning systems, when GPS is knocked out or unreliable, as secondary fall back navigation.
krisoft · 2 years ago
> in a war … wouldn’t be useful

Why do you say that? Navigational techniques like this (developed and validated over longer timeframes of course) are precisely for war where you want to cause mayhem for your enemies who want to prevent you from doing that by jamming GPS.

This is not just an idea but we have already fielded systems.

> over the water this wouldn’t be useful

What is typically done with cruise missiles launched from sea that there is a wide sweep of the coast mapped where it is predicted to make landfall. How wide this zone has to be depends on the performance of the innertial guidance and the quality of the fix it is starting out with.

jnwatson · 2 years ago
For only $300 plus shipping from Ali Express you get a high accuracy inertial navigation system. Only weighs 10 grams.

The future is scary. It is now straightforward and inexpensive for lots of folks to construct jam-resistant Shahed-style drones. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006499367697.html

Modified3019 · 2 years ago
For oceans, they could use juvenile loggerhead turtles: https://www.reed.edu/biology/courses/BIO342/2011_syllabus/20...
mytailorisrich · 2 years ago
Being able to nagivate using only a map stored locally sounds extremely useful in a war.
dwighttk · 2 years ago
Don’t we have basically this but it looks at stars?
Zetobal · 2 years ago
I guess if it's really a possibility for military use they won't use google maps...
RecycledEle · 2 years ago
So the article is fraud.
geor9e · 2 years ago
Google Maps app can also do this, from your phone camera at street level. My phones GPS and compass are garbage so I use it sometimes. https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/how-to/scan-your-surroun...
SOLAR_FIELDS · 2 years ago
Seems like a really good use case for downtown anywhere, because otherwise the buildings make your gps go haywire and navigation sucks. Though I will say, and certain providers try not to admit this too loudly, a much better way to handle those downtown scenarios is to map out and keep track of the location of WiFi signals and use their relative strength as detected by your device to triangulate your position instead. Works really well in super dense areas like cities
loxdalen · 2 years ago
That is used in cities by Google at least (as long as 'Wi-Fi scanning and Bluetooth scanning' is turned on in which is default)
542458 · 2 years ago
IIRC many cruise missiles do a similar thing, except with radar and topographical maps instead of cameras and photos. Obviously the cruise missiles cost a hair more as well.
dboreham · 2 years ago
First generation Tomahawk did this (TERCOM) but later blocks acquired image matching guidance which is presumably today very advanced (I heard about it first around 1988).
chasd00 · 2 years ago
The YouTube channel TheOperationRoom has a very well animated play by play (almost to the minute) of the air and ground war in gulf war 1 in Iraq/kuwait. In one of the videos he mentions tomahawks having to take a long route into Baghdad because it was the only one with enough terrain for the missile to follow to the target. This was 1991 so maybe older inventory.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLErys4h2oiuyKCuzZhpHhCeRw...

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meindnoch · 2 years ago
>we designed, 3d printed and built a <$500 drone with that calculates GPS coordinates without a signal using a camera + google maps

Without a GPS signal, I assume. Unless Google Maps is stored locally on their drone.

defrost · 2 years ago
From the original link for this post:

    The drone uses a camera mounted underneath it to position itself with imagery from Google Maps highlighting similarities in the images to get a rough estimate of the co-ordinates. Doesn’t Google Maps still require internet, you may ask?

    Google Maps allows users to download segments of maps ahead of time, usually for use when you are travelling or camping out in remote areas. In this instance, the team used this feature to their advantage, allowing the drone to continue operating regardless of having a GPS satellite connection.
The entire point of such a build is to operate autonomously with local data in the presence of jamming | signal loss for other reasons.

AnarchismIsCool · 2 years ago
You can download osm and satellite datasets for thousands of square miles in a few GB. If you need very high resolution satellite it's gonna be on the order of 1GB per ~10sqmi depending on what you're up to.
mkaszkowiak · 2 years ago
Surprised by the amount of negative comments. Kudos to the team! This is very impressive to accomplish in 24h with a 3-man team.
phreeza · 2 years ago
Not sure how they do it but I think it's quite feasible to extend a kalman filter to include camera intput referenced to an image. E.g. https://doi.org/10.3390/aerospace9090503
dboreham · 2 years ago
Just like Tomahawk missiles (see DSMAC).
dilyevsky · 2 years ago
Storm Shadows/SCALP-EGs and Taurus have that too
mornanding · 2 years ago
Take care, what you wish for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fa9lVwHHqg Just in case you are too young to know this movie.