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twojobsoneboss · 2 years ago
The fact that TikTok is still allowed to run amok when the PRC has their hands all over it and also shows completely different content to Chinese users is the greatest irony and crime here
fnordpiglet · 2 years ago
The divide is largely due to the fact the Chinese government has regulations about the quality and kind of social media content platforms are allowed to distribute, including emphasizing educational content for kids etc. Possibly other nefarious reasons you allude to, but those content standard regulations are sufficient enough to explain why Chinese content is segregated - they literally can’t share the same content selection inside China, so otherwise would have to conform to Chinese regulations outside China as well. Those regulations would make TikTok much less profitable outside China, and they’re not required to do absolutely anything to “improve” the content quality outside China, so they naturally optimize towards engagement and stickiness. That incentive is shared by all social media companies, and is why the Chinese regulations exist to begin with - because what’s engaging and sticky is likely really the absolute worst crap ever.
autoexec · 2 years ago
> because what’s engaging and sticky is likely really the absolute worst crap ever

I looked up the most popular/viewed youtube channels not long ago and it was either corporate advertising (music mainly) or largely trash. Out of all the great content on youtube what rises to the top seems to be ads and garbage.

octacat · 2 years ago
And even in the western world companies would do self-censorship, so they would pass rules of the apple store (reddit case), pass "rules" of payment providers (mastercard/visa for OF) or please the advertisers (youtube/ig rules).

Just recently, one chinese game company extra content for western audience and pissed of the local chinese users.

kingwill101 · 2 years ago
The fact that *insert American tech company * is still allowed to run amok when the *insert 3 letter agency* has their hands all over it and openly flaunts it is the greatest irony and crime here
fnordpiglet · 2 years ago
Except, in this bilateral relationship, those firms aren’t allowed to run amok in China for basically the same reasons as highlighted.

I’m not taking a side fwiw. I think it’s all sad and nation states, nationalism, etc, are the cause of almost all ills.

hulitu · 2 years ago
Youtube, Facebook, Microsoft.
dhdudbd · 2 years ago
most Americans can't speak chinese
Wingman4l7 · 2 years ago
You don't need to speak Chinese to know that any large corporation that exists in the PRC does so at the behest of their government, and must kowtow to their surveillance demands accordingly.
living_room_pc · 2 years ago
Is it just me, or does it feel like there are some strange comments in this thread. Like responses to comments that add nothing but trying to shut down conversations... Patriots I guess
thiago_fm · 2 years ago
Totally. Seeing this conflict from an outsider perspective (not American nor Chinese), makes me puke.

US has been killing and plaguing millions of people with their crappy social networks, with depression and draining their attention, using it to monitor and spread American "democratic" values around the world.

Now that China has 01 social network that is successful (nowhere as close as the ones owned by Meta tho), Americans and politicians think that China is a menace and it's the end of the world. Of course the PRC have influence in Tiktok and will use it. The US has been doing the same for ages.

My only hope is that we get more and more alternatives, up to the point that American Big Techs become irrelevant, and so does this conflict.

I wonder when the first American nuke will be used because of a meme being shared in a social network

autoexec · 2 years ago
I agree that it's kind of silly to worry about social media platforms, but microchips, drones, routers, cameras, etc are another story. It'd be a good thing for the US to try and be less dependent on China and their environmentally disastrous manufacturing and their slave labor for everything we own, especially when it comes to things that could be sensitive. If the Department of Defense wasn't looking at the companies in China we depend on and considering the impacts that could have to our security they wouldn't be doing their job.
2OEH8eoCRo0 · 2 years ago
Once you notice it you'll see it everywhere around here.
2OEH8eoCRo0 · 2 years ago
FBI director Wray just spoke about China's strategy.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/director-wrays-opening-sta...

> If or when China decides the time has come to strike, they’re not focused solely on political or military targets. We can see from where they position themselves, across civilian infrastructure, that low blows aren’t just a possibility in the event of a conflict. Low blows against civilians are part of China’s plan.

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