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some_random · 2 years ago
NPOV is obviously a lie, it's literally impossible to truly be neutral and you don't almost certainly don't want that. That said, it strikes me as extremely important that Wikipedia strives towards NPOV and I wonder if Wikimedia will intervene. Given that they're willing to lie to readers to get donations to funnel into the "progressive" aligned portion of the non-profit-industrial-complex, I suspect not.
davidguetta · 2 years ago
Oh god, every one using their miligram of power for virtue signaling or taking side in something that is nothing else than a basic territorial war led by religious extremists.

'oh but my side is more moral than the other because of atrocity X, Y years ago. And also we have more deaths'

'but it was written in this book ZZZZ years ago'

People who pretend that this conflict is more complex that this are just trying to find an angle to promote their side. It's not the first conflict in the history.

blitz_skull · 2 years ago
I think that’s pretty obvious though. At least in my circles, the main talking point is the fact that this war goes back literally to the dawn of human civilization in this area. People who think this sparked in the last 100 years aren’t paying attention.
blindstitch · 2 years ago
100 years ago is when western powers became involved and created the conditions for the current situation. So any comparison between the pre-british and period and everything that has happened since is quite harebrained.
tzarko · 2 years ago
Nothing about this or any other conflict is simple.

Regardless, what’s your point?

davidguetta · 2 years ago
My point is that a lot of people are try to frame it as 'my side is holier than yours' (no pun on the holier), leading to such action on wikipedia supposedly taking its roots on a moral superiority of the losing side.

Whereas it's just two group fighting for some absurd reason (religion / race / language pick one) and territory and the losing side would do the same to the winning side if it was capable of.

It's no different that any war in the past in europe or africa. 'Complexity' is an illusion.

george-in-sd · 2 years ago
Seems very much against wikipedia's principles. Taking a neutral point of view is considered non-negotiable and is a fundamental principle of wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_vie...
gcau · 2 years ago
This is bizarre, totally unnecessary and not something Wikipedia should be doing. The statements in it are misleading and not based in any sourced facts, either.
skyyler · 2 years ago
This has been done before, just for a different conflict that you likely have different feelings about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_and_the_Russian_inva...

kar5pt · 2 years ago
The irony of this is that it only affects the Arabic speaking population, which for the most part already supports the Palestinian side.
local_crmdgeon · 2 years ago
Not a fan. Wikipedia should be a truly neutral actor - regardless of situation. Once this starts, it won't stop, and it will start to burn the NPOV.

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