“About 2,250 people attended the Saturday evening party at a cruise terminal, said organiser Yuga Labs, one of the pioneers in this market. Since then, more than a dozen have posted on social media complaining of a burning sensation in the eyes and sometimes also impaired vision.”
Honestly that’s a lot more proud Bored Ape bagholders than I would have guessed. But what do I know — maybe Beanie Baby meet-ups also pull crowds of thousands.
That's about the attendance of an average furry convention (or roughly one NordicFuzzCon) where the A/V crew will know what they're doing with the lights. Questionable ideas and their events and services struggle to attract competent staff for some reason. They're always getting hacked or melting faces.
I help run an anime con with, uh, 15 times this reported attendance. The most important thing is to keep your competent volunteers entertained so they're happy to run a rave one weekend a year that doesn't blind anyone.
We (furry con A/V) care a lot about safety, so there's no way you'd see UV-C lamps at a furry con dance. We also measure sound levels and keep them in check, have free water stations around the room, have medical trained security staff around, keep an eye on the crowd, etc.
Everybody in crypto is so honest and the numbers they love to tout are always real, so I don’t see any reason to be so cynical. Unless of course one is a fiat-blinded NPC sheep who hates disruptive innovation and wants to kill the children in Africa and El Salvador who are being rescued from poverty by the limitless power of blockchain energy.
I was curious when I heard the initial reports so I went looking for pics on Twitter — the ones I found looked absolutely nothing like the 2,500 attendees and more like 250..
According to the Zeke Faux book "Number Go Up", one needs to "own" a Bored Ape YC NFT to be admitted. The author had to pay $20,000 for one of these in order to gain admission to this event.
There's no reason the party with unsafe UV lights had to be a crypto-party. While I'm no NFT bagholder, it bothers me that the article is mostly about dunking on cryptobros than talking about the dangers of hazardous lighting rigs at a show. At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing? It's not like you can DYOR.
> At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing? It's not like you can DYOR.
That's why I think the cryptobro angle is relevant to the story, because assessing trust in the folks putting on a conference is the way for attendees to figure out if they're likely to be blinded by the lighting or face other issues. And the type of people the whole cryptocurrency and especially NFT scene attract seem at least in my opinion to be way more likely to put on a conference with hazardous lighting than more reputable organizers. Everything about that whole space gives off a Fyre Festival vibe, which seems like pretty fair warning about going to an actual event organized by cryptobros.
It was a rave open to the general public. How many people actually consider the reputation of someone setting up a party or rave. Half the time it IS someone out of their mind on drugs in a condemned warehouse or the middle of the desert .
I would have mistakenly assumed there are like regulations or common sense preventing blasting people in the eyes with raw UV regardless of the event.
This story is a rude awakening for me that one does have to asses event planners for competence, not only for remote Fyre Festivals but also for regular venues. I hope the attendees recover.
> That's why I think the cryptobro angle is relevant to the story
That's an interesting perspective, and reminds me a bit of the "libertarian paradise" at the end of http://bitsim.beepboopbitcoin.com/ . But the fact that it's framed more as a dunk than as genuine sympathy for those affected reminds me of other anti-crypto reporting like "Line Go Up" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g ). Which makes it really hard to recommend it as a way to break people out.
Given a choice between reporting which mocks crypto victims and reporting which might actually help get people away from the rigged casino, I'd prefer to see articles aiming for the latter.
Can confirm. A crypto bro / lawyer invited me to learn to shoot. I hate guns but figured it was a way to spend time with him. The result is I now have noxacusis, a repetitive stress injury of the ear.
At times I've been unable to tolerate everyday noises like talking or faucets. An unstudied condition that's hugely disabling. The other person in my city with this condition lives in a closet 24/7 with earmuffs.
What's his excuse? "I'm a libertarian and I don't like when gun ranges bother me. I just want to get out there and shoot". Dumbfounding.
At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing?
If you see clear tubes emitting a light blue glow, close your eyes and get away ASAP.
One of the few positive things about the pandemic may be that it's educated lot more people on what UVC lamps look like, as they're often used --- away from people --- for sterilisation purposes.
What? I've seen lots of tubes that may or may not have been clear, I really don't know, emitting light blue glows. Like, I used to go into Spencer's at the local mall a couple decades ago... I would have no clue what the difference is here.
Because part of cryptobro culture is thinking you know more than anyone else, and projecting an image of access to secret insider knowledge. Likely one of them just decided to be a lighting designer because they thought they new more than the professionals.
I appreciate your thoughts here. I think one reason for the crypto criticism is the frequent use of "laser eyes" by members of the community. This story just fits too well not to bring it up.
This is pathetic. The original promoters behind BAYC, two guys from Florida and the son of some official of a bank in Africa, were rave promoters. They botched their metaverse project, Otherside, but that was technically ambitious. The people running it now can't even run a medium-sized rave properly. Earlier ApeFest events were only for BAYC holders and had a celebrity lineup. This time they sold tickets to anyone.
BAYC is the top end of NFTs. Almost everything else is worse. Overall, NFT value has declined something like 98%.
(The NFT crowd irks me because I want to see good metaverses, and between the NFT clowns and Zuckerberg, the whole field crashed.)
> between the NFT clowns and Zuckerberg, the whole field crashed
This is well put. I remember back when both of these visions for "metaverse" were heading up the hype curve. It's really a bummer how disappointing both visions are.
No, what is fucking pathetic is HN comments currently.
It's a really interesting story, if as reported these bulbs are the TUV30T8 they are used in Covid and Tuberculosis control.
They are used in your SteriPEN (smaller size) when you go camping.
They are a cool tech, with a dangerous side but all HN can talk about is NFTs. A total lack of curiosity. Just off topic trash talk by dumb people with nothing new to say.
They were reported to have been set up by contractors by the DJ, TBH I'm not sure but I don't feel checking light bulbs comes down to organizers. Do they also check food safety in the kitchen? Every electric cord has been checked off? This is also an interesting adult conversation not seen here.
And that's all I need to know. I avoid buying from, selling to, or doing business with anyone from FL if I can, I've been burnt too many times. I'm not sure if the state attracts shady characters, or produces them, or both.
Shysters love it because it's the closest you can get to a "tropical paradise" in the CONUS with relatively cheap housing and low CoL, then you can run away to Cuba or Mexico if things get bad, or fly to Europe and NYC easily when things are good. Plenty of yacht babes, drugs, and yacht babes who will hang out with you in exchange for drugs, which is also a great draw for some of these types of folks too.
That's a pretty broad generalization. I could say the same for the Bahamas. Or Nigeria. Or New Jersey. Definitely Russia. So let's just address that there are bad actors everywhere, no matter from where, and that you must do you due diligence when dealing with people for business. What you probably meant to say is "There seems to be more lawlessness in FL than usual" which I would definitely agree with you.
There's good people working at Disney, Universal, L3/Harris, etc. It's not all crazy Florida man in shorts with pet alligators.
Wow this is the most bigoted thing ive seen here in a minute. But please, read up on 'sunshine laws' and why 'florida man' is just everyman, but with more state transperancy. Or don't. Wouldn't want to challenge your asinine biases, thats your own duty.
They are usually used to verify that a purported UVC lamp is working, rather than working as a measure of protecting your eyesight, but maybe I should start bringing one of these to any concerts I go to.
I would not rely on a stain test designed to be used in close proximity to a light source being sensitive enough to detect eye-damaging UV at a distance. It might react only slightly, and the stain may not be discernible from the control in such circumstances.
Even clear "sunglasses" made of polycarbonate can provide excellent UV protection, but no telling if it's enough to protect against a blacklit room or stage laser that's been set up by incompetents.
I'm thinking UV safety glasses too. If you attend with one of these cards, you've already been subjected to them too. At least with glasses, you can have some protection. Unless you're going to wears these over your eyes as protection
The point, I'm assuming, would be to simply leave if those things indicate there is a lot of UV present. I certainly would not hang around regardless of adequate protection.
After I learned that NFTs were essentially just signed git commits, I wrote them off as a hilarious grift. I feel bad for the people that were injured, so here's my advice: run away from NFTs and crypto. RUN AWAY!
It’s typically an IPFS hash of an image that is stored on the blockchain, rather than a mutable URL. Some generative artworks will even store all of their code on-chain.
Ultimately, the chain is meant to be a ledger of transactions (like a decentralized Christie’s auction house maintaining provenance), not a storage layer.
Yep, git is essentially a blockchain. NFTs but also all cryptocurrency transactions are essentially git commits containing a digital signature from the owner (to prove ownership), what the owner is transacting, and the public key of the receiver. Sometimes it is a bit more complicated, there may be some instructions others than "I am A, send the X to B", but that's the idea.
The big difference between git and a blockchain like Bitcoin and Ethereum is how you do "pull requests". On git, usually, there is a designated central repository that is controlled by project maintainers, and when you submit a pull request, they check it, merge it to central, and others get it back from here.
With blockchains, there is no designated central repository, to merge a pull request, you have to win a sort of lottery, commonly by reversing a crypto hash (mining). The more invested you are into the system, the higher the odds. If you win, you show it to the the world, do the merge, and everyone pulls from you. By randomly selecting who does the pull among the most invested limits the chance of one bad actor ruining the system for everyone. In case of a conflict, the branch with the most commits wins, because that's the one with the most "lottery winners" and therefore the most likely to be the right one. To encourage others to merge that pull request, there is usually a reward for those who do (transaction fees).
Technically, it is very sound, just like git is, in a sense. The "proof-of-work" lottery is wasteful in electricity though, and of course, what you do with it is another matter. Just like git can be used for good (ex: linux) or for bad (ex: developing malware).
essentially. a whole industry cropped up around hosting them, which mostly defeats the point
there are a lot of NFTs that are better implementations, the primary improvement being that there is no external hosting and they build the visual data into the smart contract function for a renderer to interpret
Ive done a lot with SVGs that way. others upload dependendies like three.js on the blockchain in other smart contracts, so when called they can return into yours and you have more sophisticated renders
I think artblocks does something like that, not sure
Most of the financial sector NFTs have an onchain svg too, like all the Uniswap liquidity pools
first movers are often poorer implementations of the technology, its up to the consumers to discern and if they dont then there is no incentive to act differently
There have been stories of venues using UVC (germicidal) lamps because they looked pretty and fit standard fixtures. It resulted in sunburns and lots or eye pain.
I don't know if that's what happened there, but I think that using the same fixtures for dangerous yet pretty looking germicidal lamps and regular lighting is not the smartest idea.
I wonder how much they charged and made in ticket revenue. They couldn't even hire stage and lighting professionals to determine the right amount of UV and lighting at a conference hosting hundreds or thousands of folks?!?!
> On social media, some suspect photokeratitis — damage to the eye caused by UV exposure. If that’s what caused the Apes’ agony, they likely won’t be blind forever: it’s a temporary condition. People usually get it from being in bright sunlight and snow for too long, and not at concerts, which typically have stage managers and lighting professionals who understand how to safely set up a show.
In bright snow your pupils are super small as the brightness is constant. At a night show your pupils are dilated in let in maximum light intermittent if exposure in these circumstances could be quite different in terms of short/long term damage
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“About 2,250 people attended the Saturday evening party at a cruise terminal, said organiser Yuga Labs, one of the pioneers in this market. Since then, more than a dozen have posted on social media complaining of a burning sensation in the eyes and sometimes also impaired vision.”
Honestly that’s a lot more proud Bored Ape bagholders than I would have guessed. But what do I know — maybe Beanie Baby meet-ups also pull crowds of thousands.
[1] https://www.ft.com/content/fe9a3fa3-edfc-41df-a333-1f91e6248...
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I used to organize "Beanie Fairs" (which were scams).
Can confirm attendance of thousands.
The breakdown of locals vs people that flew in would be revealing. e.g. passionate owners vs cryto-casual hongkongers looking for a party.
Looks almost exclusively male to me.
That's why I think the cryptobro angle is relevant to the story, because assessing trust in the folks putting on a conference is the way for attendees to figure out if they're likely to be blinded by the lighting or face other issues. And the type of people the whole cryptocurrency and especially NFT scene attract seem at least in my opinion to be way more likely to put on a conference with hazardous lighting than more reputable organizers. Everything about that whole space gives off a Fyre Festival vibe, which seems like pretty fair warning about going to an actual event organized by cryptobros.
This story is a rude awakening for me that one does have to asses event planners for competence, not only for remote Fyre Festivals but also for regular venues. I hope the attendees recover.
That's an interesting perspective, and reminds me a bit of the "libertarian paradise" at the end of http://bitsim.beepboopbitcoin.com/ . But the fact that it's framed more as a dunk than as genuine sympathy for those affected reminds me of other anti-crypto reporting like "Line Go Up" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g ). Which makes it really hard to recommend it as a way to break people out.
Given a choice between reporting which mocks crypto victims and reporting which might actually help get people away from the rigged casino, I'd prefer to see articles aiming for the latter.
At times I've been unable to tolerate everyday noises like talking or faucets. An unstudied condition that's hugely disabling. The other person in my city with this condition lives in a closet 24/7 with earmuffs.
What's his excuse? "I'm a libertarian and I don't like when gun ranges bother me. I just want to get out there and shoot". Dumbfounding.
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I have no data but still, here's my bias.
If you see clear tubes emitting a light blue glow, close your eyes and get away ASAP.
One of the few positive things about the pandemic may be that it's educated lot more people on what UVC lamps look like, as they're often used --- away from people --- for sterilisation purposes.
That’s basically the case with most if not all internet cultures.
BAYC is the top end of NFTs. Almost everything else is worse. Overall, NFT value has declined something like 98%.
(The NFT crowd irks me because I want to see good metaverses, and between the NFT clowns and Zuckerberg, the whole field crashed.)
Judged by floor price, not by artistic value
This is well put. I remember back when both of these visions for "metaverse" were heading up the hype curve. It's really a bummer how disappointing both visions are.
It's a really interesting story, if as reported these bulbs are the TUV30T8 they are used in Covid and Tuberculosis control.
They are used in your SteriPEN (smaller size) when you go camping.
They are a cool tech, with a dangerous side but all HN can talk about is NFTs. A total lack of curiosity. Just off topic trash talk by dumb people with nothing new to say.
They were reported to have been set up by contractors by the DJ, TBH I'm not sure but I don't feel checking light bulbs comes down to organizers. Do they also check food safety in the kitchen? Every electric cord has been checked off? This is also an interesting adult conversation not seen here.
And that's all I need to know. I avoid buying from, selling to, or doing business with anyone from FL if I can, I've been burnt too many times. I'm not sure if the state attracts shady characters, or produces them, or both.
There's good people working at Disney, Universal, L3/Harris, etc. It's not all crazy Florida man in shorts with pet alligators.
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https://www.amazon.com/QuantaDose-Light-Power-Visibility-Tec...
They are usually used to verify that a purported UVC lamp is working, rather than working as a measure of protecting your eyesight, but maybe I should start bringing one of these to any concerts I go to.
https://wwd.com/eye/parties/hypebeast-party-uv-lights-injuri...
Ultimately, the chain is meant to be a ledger of transactions (like a decentralized Christie’s auction house maintaining provenance), not a storage layer.
The big difference between git and a blockchain like Bitcoin and Ethereum is how you do "pull requests". On git, usually, there is a designated central repository that is controlled by project maintainers, and when you submit a pull request, they check it, merge it to central, and others get it back from here.
With blockchains, there is no designated central repository, to merge a pull request, you have to win a sort of lottery, commonly by reversing a crypto hash (mining). The more invested you are into the system, the higher the odds. If you win, you show it to the the world, do the merge, and everyone pulls from you. By randomly selecting who does the pull among the most invested limits the chance of one bad actor ruining the system for everyone. In case of a conflict, the branch with the most commits wins, because that's the one with the most "lottery winners" and therefore the most likely to be the right one. To encourage others to merge that pull request, there is usually a reward for those who do (transaction fees).
Technically, it is very sound, just like git is, in a sense. The "proof-of-work" lottery is wasteful in electricity though, and of course, what you do with it is another matter. Just like git can be used for good (ex: linux) or for bad (ex: developing malware).
So basically ipfs won?! or lost?!
there are a lot of NFTs that are better implementations, the primary improvement being that there is no external hosting and they build the visual data into the smart contract function for a renderer to interpret
Ive done a lot with SVGs that way. others upload dependendies like three.js on the blockchain in other smart contracts, so when called they can return into yours and you have more sophisticated renders
I think artblocks does something like that, not sure
Most of the financial sector NFTs have an onchain svg too, like all the Uniswap liquidity pools
first movers are often poorer implementations of the technology, its up to the consumers to discern and if they dont then there is no incentive to act differently
Do you have resources for someone that only know the basics of cryptocurrencies and blockchains ?
But rather, a signed receipt that says you paid for the nft.
I don't know if that's what happened there, but I think that using the same fixtures for dangerous yet pretty looking germicidal lamps and regular lighting is not the smartest idea.
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> On social media, some suspect photokeratitis — damage to the eye caused by UV exposure. If that’s what caused the Apes’ agony, they likely won’t be blind forever: it’s a temporary condition. People usually get it from being in bright sunlight and snow for too long, and not at concerts, which typically have stage managers and lighting professionals who understand how to safely set up a show.