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flakiness · 2 years ago
I wonder where Uber folks went. They didn't do layoffs in that scale, AFAIK. Have they just shifted to remote? Or moved to some other areas?
mikeyouse · 2 years ago
Their HQ was designed / built when it looked like they would grow forever and before the pandemic encouraged a lot of 'hybrid' options. The complex is (afaik) still 3/4 Uber, 1/4 OpenAI after this - it was nearly 1 million sq ft of office space.
bobthepanda · 2 years ago
Famously big towers are an indicator that a company or economy is about to slow down hard, since they only get financed during frothy market conditions.

The big poster child for this is Sears opening the biggest office tower in the world at the time.

lhorie · 2 years ago
Uber has four office buildings in SF mission bay. One was never used, the other 3 were underutilized, so employees are going to be moved/consolidated into 2. These buildings also have street-front retail lease spaces, so presumably by having more people coming into the area, that increases foot traffic for those spaces as well.

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unglaublich · 2 years ago
Good for OpenAI, but the fact that this is "news" on the SF real-estate market is quite troubling.
crooked-v · 2 years ago
All the actual news on the SF real estate market is waiting for the effects of various local laws being flatly overridden by the state [1], which will take about six months from now to get to the 'or else' point of huge amounts of state funding being pulled from the city.

In particular, it will completely eliminate discretionary review for most projects, which is an overwhelming source of construction delays and cost inflation in SF.

[1]: https://www.sfyimby.org/sf-yimby-blog/housing-policy-and-pra..., see the report PDF at https://www.hcd.ca.gov/sites/default/files/docs/policy-and-r...

addicted · 2 years ago
With all the doom and gloom SF news, much of which is also unwarranted, it’s reasonable to have some possibly unwarranted, non gloom and doom news as well.
candiddevmike · 2 years ago
Isn't the real news the recent government commercial to residential conversion ~~bailout~~ incentive?
fragmede · 2 years ago
just come out and say what you want to say
yieldcrv · 2 years ago
high key fax, no printer
bratao · 2 years ago
OpenAI (https://fortune.com/2023/05/05/openai-ceo-sam-altman-remote-...) is a example of a high performing company where remote work is an exception. That's why I say that there is no cake recipe that guarantees that remote or in-person work is better than the other. Each company has its own culture and employees have to look for the culture that makes the most sense for them.
weird-eye-issue · 2 years ago
"That's why I say that there is no cake recipe that guarantees that remote or in-person work is better than the other."

You should really choose a different saying

hervature · 2 years ago
The more common expression is "cookie cutter" implying that anyone can follow a simple process to achieve a good result. Cake is hard in general so even having the cake recipe is fairly useless for execution.
oh_sigh · 2 years ago
It's true though isn't it? But, I guess, there is also no souffle recipe that guarantees that remote or in-person work is better than the other.
mcast · 2 years ago
Remote work seems like a bigger liability for a company which is expecting future legal battles and anti-trust cases, especially since all communications will be entered into discovery. It's easier for VPs to discuss AI ethics in hallways and unrecorded meetings rooms.
MrOwen · 2 years ago
Eh, unless there's current ligation forcing record retention, just having a really short retention period is an easy enough solution.
madeofpalk · 2 years ago
Presumably doing illegal things is the bigger liability for legal issues?
WWLink · 2 years ago
Yea, ya know... if your reason for avoiding remote work is because you're afraid a paper trail will expose your company breaking the law.... your company.... has some big problems lol.
Jensson · 2 years ago
Is there any large high performing company where remote work is the norm? OpenAI is the normal case here, not the exception.
JelteF · 2 years ago
Microsoft is turned remote during covid without mandatory RTO so far.

Disclaimer: I'm working remotely at Microsoft

SoftTalker · 2 years ago
I am not sure my employer is high performing, but I work from home most of the time, and I don't think anyone has really noticed.
rmorey · 2 years ago
GitLab is a famous example
VirusNewbie · 2 years ago
Meta is liberal with remote work for people with tenure in the company.
moandcompany · 2 years ago
Crowdstrike's engineering department was/is mostly Remote
arsenico · 2 years ago
Dropbox and Booking are good examples. Depends on what you call large though.
benatkin · 2 years ago
Similar to Apple. Apple seems to understand whatever this sort of structure is really well, and have followed it for a long time. Facebook thought they were different but now they seem to need the same. Less openness externally, but a lot of collaboration internally. Google recognized this more quickly than Facebook, but less quickly than Apple.
ipaddr · 2 years ago
This is silly when you go into work to remote into meetings with others sitting at their desk in the build across the street.

Facebook, Google, Apple have been laying off people. The return to office was about real estate, local power and getting employees to move or quit.

madeofpalk · 2 years ago
> That's why I say that there is no cake recipe that guarantees that remote or in-person work is better than the other.

I'm not sure this is all that insightful. I don't think anyone is saying that if you force all your employees into the same physical space (or, you allow for remote work) you will instantly become infinitely successful.

JambalayaJim · 2 years ago
There are lots of people online who claim remote work is an asbolutely superior model for any tech company.
bugglebeetle · 2 years ago
I would assume no one can work remote because of who they’re actually doing work for vs. it actually being necessary to collaborate.
indus · 2 years ago
Isn’t this the same office where Travis could come out to market st using a secret passage?
huac · 2 years ago
you're thinking of 1455 market st. this is 1455 third st. (the coincidence amused me)

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