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I saw an analysis recently that suggested a nuclear war between the west and Russia would no longer end in mutually assured destruction. Instead, it was likely that most of the west's missiles would be able to disable most of Russia's weapons before they could get to their targets, while the reverse was not true.
Such a war would also likely extend the west's dominance by ~50 years or more if the replacement government in Russia was a pro-US one.
If you write "I saw an analysis recently..." it's best to link to or at least describe the source of the analysis, otherwise the rest of us are just left with completely unsourced hearsay
Disabling most is insufficient. All it takes is a few ICBMs hitting NY, LA, etc., and the calculation already becomes nonsensical. It would be intriguing, however, if it becomes possible in the future to intercept ICBMs during the launch phase using some kind of new technology. Even then, though, you would need to ensure a 100% success rate.
Major US cities being destroyed is pretty bad but not MAD bad. The rest of the US will still be around long enough to decimate Russia or China. MAD means both sides get wiped out completley not some horrible killing of 50mil people happened.
I.E.: if they fire first, firing back does not mean everyone dies.
>Instead, it was likely that most of the west's missiles would be able to disable most of Russia's weapons before they could get to their targets, while the reverse was not true.
How is disabling most of Russia's nuclear missiles OK? How will wiping out a few of North America's urban centers ensure western dominance?
Who made this analysis? The "Real American Association Against the Degenerate Urban Elites" or something?
No one made the analysis as there was no analysis. This is propaganda. Unclear whether OP is a tool or gets paid to stir up hate against an ethnic group. One can look up legitimate military analysis of US vs. Russian missile capabilities and get mostly opposite opinions to what OP is spreading. US lacks hypersonic capabilities or the capability of intercepting such weapons, while both countries have reliable retaliation strike capability with hidden nuclear subs. What OP is suggesting is complete lunacy and a simple lie. It's horrifying not more people are picking up on this.
Now imagine this circlejerk on reddit. Realize what an effect it has on young people seeing hundreds of comments agreeing with such a lunatic perspective, while all others are censored or didn't dare posting in the first place. We're about to solve the Fermi paradox.
I wouldn't put the fate of humanity as a potential price for testing a hypothesis. I prefer trying to test the theory that we can produce a (Micro) black hole at CERN (Because it will not do what you think it will). That is an old and safe theory.
This is the dumbest thing that I've read this year. In multiple respects. I'd be dying to know where you get your daily news from. Because I have a friend thats thinks like you. He reads a lot of 9gag. Called me once in the middle of the night a year ago because "Putin was about to nuke us". We traced the source of his fear back to a fake news article dubbing over random Russian TV excerpts with vile subtitles. He's otherwise considered sane and a family man.
Also: We're debating a lie. OP is a liar. How dumb can you be?
Care to elaborate on why? It seems overly hopeful, not to mention somewhat dangerous to just assume western missile superiority, but it could also be true. It’s not like MAD is a law of physics.
Edit: when I replied, the parent poster consisted of one sentence claiming the idea to be dumb, with zero substantive refutations. They have since elaborated in their original post.
The idea of surviving a nuclear war is analogous to a “who can stay in a tub of boiling water for the longest” contest. You might win the contest but you’re sure as hell still going to die.
The nuclear winter that follows a nuclear war will bring humanity back to the Stone Age. We really need to disabuse ourselves of the notion of “surviving a nuclear war”.
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
- Albert Einstein
The US formally suspended the treaty on 1 February 2019, and Russia did so on the following day in response. The United States formally withdrew from the treaty on 2 August 2019.
How does the IRBM ban relate to this article? What in this article is false propaganda?
The article identifies the US' actions as another potentially destabilizing step in an atmosphere of mistrust. It identifies that the US has not worked to ensure that 3rd party (Independent) have the capacity to verify claims of non nuclear tests.
Right after we calculate how many days a person can hold his breath underwater. The idea itself is so ridiculous and vile, it makes HN look like a bunch of children.
Readit News
https://archive.md/EoqWY
https://twitter.com/NNSAHruby/status/1714730603860390023All it can do is issue a warning: 'you have 8 minutes to say your prayers'.
Security indeed.
When they happen, there's a lot more time than 8 minutes remaining.
eg: The India tests, the immediately following Pakistan tests, the more recent North Korean tests, etc.
Such a war would also likely extend the west's dominance by ~50 years or more if the replacement government in Russia was a pro-US one.
Could this be the start of testing that out?
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This was largely the concept of the Strategic Defense Initiative (aka Star Wars) in the 1980s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative
I.E.: if they fire first, firing back does not mean everyone dies.
How is disabling most of Russia's nuclear missiles OK? How will wiping out a few of North America's urban centers ensure western dominance?
Who made this analysis? The "Real American Association Against the Degenerate Urban Elites" or something?
Now imagine this circlejerk on reddit. Realize what an effect it has on young people seeing hundreds of comments agreeing with such a lunatic perspective, while all others are censored or didn't dare posting in the first place. We're about to solve the Fermi paradox.
Also: We're debating a lie. OP is a liar. How dumb can you be?
Edit: when I replied, the parent poster consisted of one sentence claiming the idea to be dumb, with zero substantive refutations. They have since elaborated in their original post.
The nuclear winter that follows a nuclear war will bring humanity back to the Stone Age. We really need to disabuse ourselves of the notion of “surviving a nuclear war”.
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” - Albert Einstein
https://thebulletin.org/2022/10/nowhere-to-hide-how-a-nuclea...
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The US formally suspended the treaty on 1 February 2019, and Russia did so on the following day in response. The United States formally withdrew from the treaty on 2 August 2019.
The article identifies the US' actions as another potentially destabilizing step in an atmosphere of mistrust. It identifies that the US has not worked to ensure that 3rd party (Independent) have the capacity to verify claims of non nuclear tests.