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mullingitover commented on Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business   agweb.com/news/business/f... · Posted by u/storf45
somenameforme · 2 days ago
They can't say anything more than 'yeah we were totally fired'. So it comes down to motivation, witnesses, history, etc. The farmers have been running this farm for decades with an upstanding record, and have zero motivation to want to get rid of the employees they hired unless those employees could not competently do the labor they were hired to do.

By contrast the workers themselves signed up for some of the most brutal/specialized farm work (which they may not have understood had they lied and never actually done it before - it's one of the highest paid crops for laborers), zero witnesses to their claims (and in fact they could only get 3 of the 17 workers to even claim that they were fired), and were able to carry out a freeroll for a crop year of salary by saying 'Yeah uh we were fired.' Anonymously. Through a translator. Provided by some NGO. Online. While in Mexico. At home.

In the end if one has to make a probability judgement, this is not even remotely close. And indeed this is why the farmers are cheering having their constitutional right to a fair trial granted - they're going to win this literally 100% of the time to the point that this is practically fit for summary judgement. Again the only thing particularly weird here are the government's actions.

mullingitover · 7 hours ago
Yes, you have recited the business' argument. However, fta:

> (When contacted by Agweb regarding the Sun Valley case, DOL referred all questions to DOJ. When contacted by Agweb, DOJ did not respond.)

So we're basically hearing the side of the story from the business' lawyers, since the regime's DOJ is vehemently not on the side of laborers and certainly not willing to vouch for the prior administration.

At the end of the day this is just a debate about whether they're due a jury trial, and this is all a matter of political philosophy. I'm personally of the opinion that jury trials are inappropriate in civil cases, and should only be used for criminal trials, so I don't really get worked up about the right of this business to get one.

mullingitover commented on 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC   bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c... · Posted by u/donpott
net01 · 2 days ago
Ofcom can fine 4chan all it wants, but without UK assets those penalties are unenforceable, they have no power here.

This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.

mullingitover · 2 days ago
> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.

(But primarily done to protect colonial smugglers' and merchants' businesses which were being undercut by the English tea that was still cheaper than theirs, even with the small tax.)

mullingitover commented on CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations   ips-dc.org/report-executi... · Posted by u/hhs
necubi · 2 days ago
Buybacks are just a more tax-efficient way to issue dividends to shareholders (dividend issuance is a taxable event and at short-term rates, buybacks raise the stock price and those gains aren't taxable until you sell, at which point it may be long-term cap gains).

It's reasonable to be upset about the fact that this is arguably a tax dodge! But all of the other criticism of buybacks apply equally to dividends which no one seems to get upset about. Fundamentally this is the corporation saying it doesn't have a market-beating way to reinvest this capital, and it's giving the money back to its owners to more productively invest.

mullingitover · 2 days ago
> buybacks raise the stock price and those gains aren't taxable until you sell

They temporarily raise the stock price for the people who are the counterparties to the stock purchase, but isn't that also creating a taxable event for them?

Once the buyback is done, what's keeping that share price from sliding right back down to earth? The shareholders who support the company and hold watch a group who bet against the company by selling shares reap a profit, in a tax advantaged way, while their own dividends are effectively stolen. The buybacks are actually a crap deal for anyone who is a responsible buy and hold investor.

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mullingitover commented on Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business   agweb.com/news/business/f... · Posted by u/storf45
somenameforme · 3 days ago
You're assuming there is another side, which there seems to be no reason whatsoever to assume. The facts, outside of the government's behavior, are extremely benign and supported by decades of precedent by the exact same people doing the exact same stuff in the exact same way. I'm certain the guys who quit, or even if they were fired, on the first day didn't expect to get a crop year's salary out of it. This makes the government's behavior all the more absurd. Yet the government's behavior is not in question, only the constitutionality of it. And indeed it turns out that it was unconstitutional.
mullingitover · 3 days ago
> You're assuming there is another side, which there seems to be no reason whatsoever to assume

There are at least two sides to every contract, that's how contracts work. There are a lot of people lining up to defend the business owner, and I'm not finding a single word from any of the H-2A workers, who are uniquely powerless and in a class who has a well-documented history of being exploited.

Those workers 'quitting' was found to be constructive dismissal. They were coerced into quitting, that's the 'other side.' That meant they surrendered their transportation costs back home (which they would've been entitled to if they were fired), and arguably lost out on other work they could've done.

mullingitover commented on Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business   agweb.com/news/business/f... · Posted by u/storf45
somenameforme · 3 days ago
So your entire criticism comes down to you thinking the article is simply lying about that and presumably everything. And what reason do you have to believe this? And would you make such claims if it were an article that confirmed your biases?
mullingitover · 3 days ago
> And what reason do you have to believe this?

I didn’t say the article was lying, I said it uncritically reported only one side of the story.

This is an agribusiness news site. Do you think that they’re out here looking for an honest to god scoop about labor abuses? Do you think that if they found them, they’d make a front page story about it?

mullingitover commented on Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business   agweb.com/news/business/f... · Posted by u/storf45
somenameforme · 3 days ago
I don't understand how any person can come to a conclusion like this from this account. Some employees lied about their qualifications, showed up to work, were unable to do they work they claimed they knew how to do, were unwilling to learn or even try to do so, they quit, and the government then decided this company owed those employees 3/4 of the entire salary they would have been paid had they completed the entire crop year.

In the other issue, their representative mistakenly clicked the 'kitchen provided' food option in the paperwork instead of 'meals provided', with the government claiming there was some conspiracy to defraud the employees into taking meals instead of receiving a food stipend, when they'd been providing home cooked meals to the employees for decades, as the DOL had observed countless times.

In both cases, there was no harm to the employees whatsoever.

mullingitover · 3 days ago
> Some employees lied about their qualifications

The article uncritically printed this claim, however we have no reporting from the workers. For all we know they got off easy with the level of fines they received. The article is a press release.

mullingitover commented on Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business   agweb.com/news/business/f... · Posted by u/storf45
mullingitover · 3 days ago
The great news here is that the tables have turned dramatically in favor of employers. Laborers will just have to suck it up and get wages stolen and contracts violated occasionally to ensure that the bureaucrats are kept in check.
mullingitover commented on Can modern LLMs count the number of b's in "blueberry"?   minimaxir.com/2025/08/llm... · Posted by u/minimaxir
mullingitover · 12 days ago
The hilarious thing is that LLMs will happily explain the token problem to you, and will even list out exactly which words where will have these problems. Then in the same breath when you ask it about letter counts, it will screw up.

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