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sxp · 2 years ago
Citation needed that Google actively blocked installation of the benchmarking app. None of the links support that claim. If Google want to block benchmarking, they would have had their lawyers add that clause to the reviewers' contracts/NDAs as a condition of getting the device early. Since this is a technical issue, I'm guessing the benchmarking software didn't properly configure their Play Store account and mark the P8 or the new Android OS as compatible with the software. That would prevent it from being installed via the Play Store but not via sideloading.

Disclosure, I used to work at Google on Android so I have some familiarity with how Play Store rollouts work.

vore · 2 years ago
I would place my bet on this being some kind of app compatibility mishap rather than Google actively blocking Geekbench and 3DMark.

Apparently Pixel 6a owners also had this problem, but with none of the Tensor G3 performance speculation in the article: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/wc4m3w/pixel_6...

fh9302 · 2 years ago
There was no compatibility problem, Google intentionally blocked the installation to avoid reviewers testing the chip. The benchmarks worked without issues when sideloaded, but not every reviewer bothered to do that.
BenjiWiebe · 2 years ago
Sounds like a compatibility problem. I don't understand how exactly the play store works, but if your device string is unexpected (like maybe a new device? or a lineageos phone) some apps can't be installed from the play store but work fine sideloaded.
vore · 2 years ago
I think you are as blind to Google’s intentions as much as I am, but it sure seems silly for them to intentionally block it from the Play Store when side loading it is trivial, doesn’t it?
metadat · 2 years ago
o11c · 2 years ago
Notably, it isn't against the law to call out "Oracle forbids us from benchmarking, so we are forced to rank it last".
greatgib · 2 years ago
Can't such a block be considered as a proof against Google in an anti-trust trial?

Google abusing of is position as the provider of the android app-store to protect his sales of phone as a manufacturer. That are different activities.

mcphage · 2 years ago
I’m not so sure. They don’t sell competing benchmark software, so it might not be relevant.
pseudosavant · 2 years ago
I find it interesting that the Geekbench scores for the latest iPhone isn't mentioned. About the same performance as an iPhone 12. Yet, the Pixel 8 and iPhone 15 lines are price comparably.

Pixel 8 Pro: Single: 1760 Multi: 4442

iPhone 15 Pro: Single: 2894 Multi: 7192

iPhone 12: Single: 1995 Multi: 4401

Skunkleton · 2 years ago
> Yet, the Pixel 8 and iPhone 15 lines are price comparably.

But this isn't how pricing works. Even if it did the CPU isn't the most expensive component in the bom, and it isn't the most important component for user experience.

Arcanum-XIII · 2 years ago
The problem is that you can't easily and objectively factor the user experience. CPU are easy to benchmark — and do honestly factor a lot in the pricing. Android (the OS) development is payed for by other means, and the hardware line is kind of a vanity project.

People may, or may not prefer the Android experience. That's not relevant here.

HumblyTossed · 2 years ago
With Apple and Google doing custom chips, I don't think that matters as much as people think anymore. Surely, a lot of functionality that used to be done in software is now done on chip. A generic benchmark isn't going to capture that.
Arcanum-XIII · 2 years ago
Like what? What's the ML performance on this chip? Can it help with game? Or apps I'll use everyday? Does it improve the web experience? The last one depends largely on those CPU benchmark...

I want to be pragmatic here. Coprocessor were all the rage for the Amiga, then were out out of the loop, and were back for with the GPU. A bit like we're back to the mainframe experience with Kubernetes and all (don't throw tomatoes at me ;))

jacooper · 2 years ago
Yet an iphone 12 feels significantly slower.
nolist_policy · 2 years ago
Pixel 8 Pro: 12Gb ram

iPhone 15 Pro: 8Gb ram

iPhone 12: 4Gb ram

And now?

greesil · 2 years ago
FTA the performance difference isn't hugely worse from a comparable chip IMO. Maybe they did more damage by trying to suppress.

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jauntywundrkind · 2 years ago
I really detest that many Google products like some of their Chromebooks just list as having something vague like "Intel Core processor" or whatnot. No model, no idea what class chip (ultra low power? Low power? Mainline?).

It feels incredibly consumer hostile, not telling people what they're getting.

pjmlp · 2 years ago
It sucks, on the other hand, it hardly matters for Web pages, which is the main application on an OS juggling Chrome instances.