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Posted by u/lucasknight 2 years ago
Ask HN: How do I code offline for a week?
I'm going to be going to the middle of nowhere for a couple of weeks, and there's going to be no internet there.

I design with Figma and I code in React Native/ReactJS. How can I build something or learn a skill with no internet to make sure I'm productive over this time?

eszed · 2 years ago
I don't know the circumstance of your tech exile, but I'd encourage you to take advantage of it to do something other than code! If you're going to be in nature, be in nature. If you're going to be with people, be with people. Those are the sorts of experiences you'll treasure, later in life, far more than a few more days of "productivity".

If none of that applies, and you still want to learn something to do with tech? Well, you know this won't be an ideal situation to engage directly with a system. How about zooming out a bit? Read some books. Some of Stallman's essays. Clifford Stoll. Or anything else more recent that you think is big-picture significant to your field. Your situation will be ideal for contemplation, which will in the long-term make you a better contributor to whatever projects you take on.

da39a3ee · 2 years ago
It's really annoying to answer a question by telling the asker that you know better and they should do something else. This person cared enough about this question to ask it to a community on the internet. Have the humility to answer their question instead of telling them that you're wiser than them.
karmakaze · 2 years ago
The 'do something else' is the community caring. Perhaps it's incorrect, but it's worth looking into. I can't imagine what situation is so competitive that on week of lost Figma design/React building/or learning something new so so catastrophic so as not to be permitted. Perhaps I'm misreading and the activity is so boring but required that carrying on computing is better--I've certainly done that.

The only time I would be very annoyed by such responses is if that's all the responses I got. Some of both is reasonable: perhaps I did pose an XY problem.

bootloop · 2 years ago
Tell me that in the real world, if you ask a question, you will get only answers and no opinions.

Internet is the same. You ask and someone made the effort to voice their opinion on something and you have to put the effort into figuring out if they would fit your situation. If not, continue on.

Dirak · 2 years ago
This is a classic example of the xy problem https://xyproblem.info/, where the author is asking for advice on his solution (how to study react on a vacation without internet), when for the vast majority of circumstances the best advice for the author would be to not waste his vacation studying React.
satvikpendem · 2 years ago
I agree. Sure, maybe I will soak in the nature but I'm not going to do that 24/7 for a week. Some days I might just want to program in said nature while sitting outside.
communtator · 2 years ago
Tell me about it. Lots of people do it, but there’s something about programming that brings the alpha nerds that think contrariness is by itself interesting or impressive. So boring to talk to these people — it’s impossible to build common ground as they will disagree or argue a point not because they actually believe their case, but because they think that’s how you sound smart in a conversation.

Nope, you just sound like an asshole.

lewdev · 2 years ago
I think eszed had a good point. I do appreciate the philosophy of taking in what you are doing in the situation rather than turning it into a code-fest. I have attempted that and failed. It just felt like forcing a situation that didn't work. Just take things as they come.

I also think that answers like this are one of many. Let people put in their 2 cents. I think it's great to have a variety of answers that approach the question differently.

thih9 · 2 years ago
I’ve also noticed that in threads about stack overflow people often complain that questions are answered with “do something else”.

And here, “do something else” seems a popular answer too. Perhaps it’s how we approach problem solving in general.

ratg13 · 2 years ago
It’s because tech people are often fed XY problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem

The person asking the question is asking how to do something, instead of explaining what the problem is.

Without an explanation of what the problem actually is, you have to guess.

Solving XY problems without getting at the root issue can create endless amounts of needless effort for many people, which is why discussion and communication are so important.

da39a3ee · 2 years ago
I think it's laziness: rather than solving a specific problem, it's much easier to pick from an infinity of other problems you can solve.
mschaef · 2 years ago
I tend to agree with the other commenters suggesting you just step away from the keyboard for a while. I've been programming for 40 years... it can be addictive, fun, and useful... but there are other and more important things in life. Focus on those.

If that advice falls on deaf ears, and you really do want to write code on your time off, then here are some suggestions. I was about to say 'welcome to how we used to code'... but there are differences, both positive and negative.

* Tools like `git` are invaluable to the extent they let you manage source code control offline. Use them if you don't already.

* Settle on your dependencies and frameworks while you have network access. Download all the source you can for future reading.

* Focus on algorithmic work.... places where it's more about thinking through the code you're writing rather than interfacing with something else. (Hard these days.)

* Buy and bring some books. There are still good programming books that can be useful. You won't be totally at the cutting edge with these, but you probably don't need to be either.

scrollaway · 2 years ago
Agreed with the books advice (and the general advice of course.

More to the point though, op says “productive” and there’s more ways to be productive than doing grunt work. Bring books about things you want to learn or improve in your life, not necessarily code. See for example any of the books published by Stripe Press (https://press.stripe.com).

walthamstow · 2 years ago
Not quite as long as a week but here are some tips when I want to code from a long haul flight or some other offline situation.

- The replacement for Figma is straightforward - pen and paper. Make sure you take some.

- devdocs.io for offline docs or if what you're using isn't in there, a lot of packages offer a PDF of their docs.

- I keep a pyproject file that has basically any mainstream package I am likely to want at any point while writing Python, then when I leave for a trip I make sure everything is installed locally. Docker can also be helpful for this.

- Sometimes I write tests when I have internet then when I'm offline I just spend the time making the tests go green.

- Other times I will forget about writing new code and learn something new by working through the PDF of a book. Most technical books set up the dev environment in the first few pages, do that when you have internet then you're good to go.

Other people have raised good points about getting away from your computer. I don't want to preach but I do like a 'holiday' day where I do some light coding in the morning then spend the afternoon doing something else entirely.

justinlloyd · 2 years ago
Family: "We're going to an area where there's no WiFi, no distractions, no internet, just quiet solitude!"

Me: "Awesome! I'll get my laptop so I can work on some personal projects without distraction."

The only part of the puzzle I cannot solve is the Figma issue, which is an online tool. If your designs are already done, you can generate PDFs or PSDs to take with you.

For documentation, if you're anything like me, I refer to it constantly, there are tools that you can use to clone entire readthedocs areas, along with many others documentation projects. Simply keep them local.

You can create a local clone of an entire npmregistry, there are tools to do this for build systems.

Alternatively, pick up a tutorial style programming book that is outside of your regular knowledge area, download whatever tools you need, and work your way through the book.

You know your workflow better than anyone else, so try working your workflow without internet for a day and see where it falls short. Again, you can work around most of the problems, except for those "I need a back-end server to work" tools, e.g. Figma.

NikkiA · 2 years ago
> The only part of the puzzle I cannot solve is the Figma issue, which is an online tool. If your designs are already done, you can generate PDFs or PSDs to take with you.

A locally run docker of penpot would probably work as an alternative, but I suspect it's too late for op to get it setup and learn it in time.

tempaccount1234 · 2 years ago
There’s stuff like https://zealdocs.org/ that allow you to take all relevant documentation with you so offline coding will work.

If you just want to be productive, you could also bring a lot of books or downloaded tutorials on a drive.

Btw, make sure your drive is encrypted and you think of a way to backup your data so you don’t lose the offline progress.

FlyingAvatar · 2 years ago
Assuming you're fixed on not disconnecting:

I would recommend using ollama (or install llamacpp if you're on Windows) to bring along a modestly capable LLM you can run locally such a CodeLlama or Minstrel. They won't be as capable as ChatGPT, but a lot of knowledge gets compressed into these relatively small models.

farseer · 2 years ago
I hope you are being sarcastic right?
brudgers · 2 years ago
The only way to know what works for you is to try coding without internet, see what problem arises first and solve it as best you can.

Then see what problems arises next and solve that as best you can.

And so on.

Which means it will probably be a bit frustrating, involve a lot of small failures, and maybe even large failures.

But you will learn if you like to code without the internet and will try it again with better preparation or just liked the idea of being a person who codes without the internet but are not (which is ok).

Some people like to camp and some don’t.

Good luck.

abrichr · 2 years ago
See https://devdocs.io/ for offline documentation.