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Posted by u/CM30 3 years ago
Ask HN: Will Google ever launch a successful new product again?
Because I'm struggling to think of anything in recent years, and most of the things they do try to launch tend to flop, even if the initial idea is pretty good.

Meanwhile, all their successful products and services have been around a while now. Search was 1997, Blogger was 1999 (not initially by Google), Gmail was 2004, YouTube and Maps were both 2005, Google Docs was 2006 and both Android and Chrome were 2008. So where's the next big hit? Is one even possible with Google's attitude of "if it doesn't succeed in a few months, kill it"?

What is likely to be their next successful story out of the things they worked on recently?

superfrank · 3 years ago
I think you're overlooking some decent wins because they weren't world changers for general consumers.

For hardware, I think all of the following could be considered a success:

- Pixel phone

- Chromecast

- Chromebooks (as school computers)

For software:

- Youtube TV seems to be a massive hit.

- Google Classroom has a lot of users in the ed tech space.

- Just in my social circle, I'm noticing more and more people using Google Photos in the past few years (even iOS users). I think might be due to growing usage of Google One.

marcammann · 3 years ago
The education space definitely relies on Google (was also big during the pandemic) and the tools are decent.

But I was definitely surprised about the mentions of Chromecast and Youtube TV, particularly YouTube TV. All of the cord cutters I talked to opted for Fubo, Hulu or DirectTV. Good to hear it sees adoption. Is there a marketshare analysis that you're aware of?

dkarl · 3 years ago
Chromecast has somehow become ubiquitous without attracting much attention. I think even among the iPhone and Mac users I know, more of them use Chromecast than Apple TV, since they're so small and cheap. I bought one so I could cast a specific show on a specific trip to visit family, and now my household has one for every TV, for about the same price as a single Apple TV. We always take one with us when we travel.
superfrank · 3 years ago
Funny, I'm on the other end. I don't know a single person with Fubo or DirectTV and only a few with Hulu for live TV. Pretty much everyone I know has YTTV.

According to this link, YTTV passed Hulu Live to become the largest player in the space in mid 2022 https://nscreenmedia.com/why-youtube-tv-is-the-number-1-vmvp...

divbzero · 3 years ago
I would also count the following as software successes:

2012 - Google Drive

2017 - Google Meet

dangus · 3 years ago
Meet and Drive are big successes in the enterprise space. Google successfully made Workspaces a compelling alternative to Microsoft’s business productivity suite.

I think with that in mind, the fact that Google doesn’t develop their own Slack clone to fit into Workspaces is completely bananas [edit: they actually did do that this year].

Other new product successes listed in this thread are things like Chromecast that only make Google money indirectly and/or represent an essentially meaningless slice of their revenue.

JamesianP · 3 years ago
As I understood it, Google Drive was mainly just the storage that was previously free with Google Docs (from 2006 or something).
typon · 3 years ago
Zoom's audio + video quality is so much better than Google Meet that I almost feel like companies that use it are getting paid by Google to use it? I have no other explanation.
asimpletune · 3 years ago
Also google voice
aussiesnack · 3 years ago
> 2012 - Google Drive

The Linux version is lagging a tad: https://abevoelker.github.io/how-long-since-google-said-a-go...

chasil · 3 years ago
For the moment, the Pixel phones are the largest family that supports an independent ROM that implements VoLTE.

A vast swath of LineageOS supported devices have been retired for this reason, and Pixels are the largest family remaining.

Oddly enough, if you want control of a device that minimizes Google's influence, then you probably want a Pixel.

sudosysgen · 3 years ago
Actually that would be the Xiaomi/Redmi/Poco series.
bkuehl · 3 years ago
Google Photos is that silent offering that wasn't a big deal initially, but just slowly grew into easily the best option to store your years of smartphone photo memories. I pay for it and will always pay.

Chromebooks were also the thing that started out slow, but now are pretty ubiquitous.

mynameisash · 3 years ago
> Google Classroom has a lot of users in the ed tech space.

As a parent of a kid with ADHD and a Chromebook, I'm appalled at how wide open access to everything on the Internet is on Chromebooks. Trying to keep him on track when there's the constant temptation and ability to alt-tab over to YouTube means my wife and I have to be ever vigilant that he's actually working.

No, his ADHD isn't Google's fault, but they're designing and deploying tools for lots of kids who have impulse control issues.

ajross · 3 years ago
There are copious and extensive managed access control technologies available for Chromebooks (and windows, and everything else). I mean, it's true that by default it's just a laptop-running-chrome and can get to anything. But that's not how my kids' schools deploy their Chromebooks, nor is it how we have their personal devices set up. Have you looked at Family Link, which is the default choice for this sort of thing? We've used Bark too. Both are sort of annoying to administer but do their advertised jobs pretty well.

I mean, yes, the internet is distracting, but...

mynameisash · 3 years ago
Others commenting are, I think, missing the point: Chromebooks are school-issued and locked down to where I can't install software (or they're just not capable of it regardless of locking down). Even if I could, is it the expectation that every parent now has to monitor their kid's school-issued device? This should be handled at the Google or school district level, not at the individual device level.

And yes, I use Family Link and Android controls. Not great, but also not applicable to a device over which I have no control.

dan_pixelflow · 3 years ago
I'd argue that's not really something Google have wrong - parental/education control blockers aren't few and far between.
lost_tourist · 3 years ago
full disclosure: never used a chrome book.

That said, isn't there some nanny software available to install and block websites except the ones you whitelist? They should also have ability to set access time schedules so you could let them have a free for all after school time is over.

wordyskeleton · 3 years ago
Pixel Buds, particularly the new Pixel Buds Pro as well. They are fantastic.
thebruce87m · 3 years ago
I wouldn’t consider the pixel a success until they truly fix the emergency call issues[1]. I wouldn’t recommend anyone buys one, and anyone who has one should demand action.

[1] https://reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/y039zn/i_compiled_...

Edit: Downvotes are a little confusing here, are people supposed to accept a phone that can’t make a call when you most need it?

Ferret7446 · 3 years ago
I'm curious how exactly would an emergency call fail. How is it different from any other phone call, from the phone OS level?
Fire-Dragon-DoL · 3 years ago
Google photos started inproving around 1 year ago (maybe two? With covid, it was a blend).

Bugs gone and new features popped up.

CM30 · 3 years ago
You're right, I definitely forgot the Pixel Phone, Chromecast and Chromebooks, all of which seem to be doing well enough to get regular support and a decent userbase.

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pragmatic · 3 years ago
Isn't it a bit of a stretch to call these “recent” though?

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agrimonyhal · 3 years ago
GCP
rrdharan · 3 years ago
[infrastructure bias]

Kubernetes and TensorFlow should count, and are successful.

AlloyDB is IMO most likely to be successful (especially since AWS Aurora already proved the market): https://cloud.google.com/alloydb

Since this question seems to be much more about the consumer side, I think both Google Home and YouTube TV are independently considered successful though I have no doubt many people will chime in to note how much they hate either or both of those things.

lake_vincent · 3 years ago
It's interesting how legacy companies are not making exciting consumer/commercial products anymore, but infrastructure and technical projects are booming.

Google TensorFlow and DeepMind, Microsoft WSL2, Meta AI, etc. Also worth mentioning the many quiet efforts to get quantum computing off the ground.

formercoder · 3 years ago
I work at Google, but just want to say that AlloyDB is really cool.
davewritescode · 3 years ago
Seems like Google's version of AWS Aurora?
kro · 3 years ago
Flutter also comes to mind
wanderingstan · 3 years ago
As a user, I can say that Google home has become a dumpster fire after starting out rather well. I’ve sworn off buying any future Google hardware.
plorkyeran · 3 years ago
Kubernetes isn't a product.
rrdharan · 3 years ago
Strongly disagree.

Kubernetes is not a Google product. But it is "a" product, and it was successfully launched as a commoditize-your-complement / cannibalize-yourself kind of thing.

GKE meanwhile is a Google product, and is successful, and wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Kubernetes.

dangus · 3 years ago
What about GKE?
grepLeigh · 3 years ago
My most basic definition of a product is:

Something I can insert money into, which solves a more expensive problem.

Kubernetes and TensorFlow are extraordinary technologies - and very important to the work I do daily. I don't think they're products though, certainly not successful products.

rrdharan · 3 years ago
> Something I can insert money into, which solves a more expensive problem.

Right. I would argue that "public cloud infrastructure" is such a product; GCP/AWS/Azure specifically. (See below also) Kubernetes enabled the existence of EKS/AKS/GKE all of which I believe are considered successful.

Separately, TensorFlow enabled Azure Machine Learning, TensorFlow on AWS and Google Cloud TensorFlow Enterprise, and generally expanded (IMO) the market for IaaS.

burkaman · 3 years ago
Google Cloud launched in 2008, but subproducts within it launch all the time. I don't use Google Cloud, but presumably some of these must have been successful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cloud_Platform#Timeline

Google Home/Nest is 2016 and has been fairly successful.

Google Fi is from 2015 and still seems to be going strong, I use it and am happy with it.

Chromecast launched in 2013, I think that has to be considered a success.

jmyeet · 3 years ago
Let me ask you a question: why does it matter if a new successful product comes from an acquisition or is homegrown? Everything on your list other than Gmail and Chrome (which relied on Webkit FWIW) were acquisitions.

Some acquisitions just mean billion of dollars spent for nothing and these get a lot of attention. Remember when AOL bought BeBo for $850m? But every acquisition is a gamble. Most won't pay off but some will, spectacularly.

Like in 2022 can you really believe that Google paid less than $2 billion for Youtube? Is that not the biggest bargain of the century? Facebook bought Instagram for $1 billion. Were it a separate company, at least until the last couple of years, it probably would be worth 100x that.

Most ideas don't turn into billion (or trillion) dollar companies. Expecting a company to do that multiple times is like expecting to win the lottery twice. Taking a $1 billion company and turning it into a $100+ billion business is itself a massive success. I'm not sure why the homegrown product is assumed to be somehow more virtuous.

megaman821 · 3 years ago
I would love to see Tech Journalist Sentiment vs Tech Company M&A to see who got it right more often. I distinctly remember tech journalists lambasting Facebook for spending so much money on Instagram.

That said Google should bring back Google Labs. They are tarnishing their main brand by cancelling so many projects. Tell people anything that graduates to the main Google brand gets at least a 10-year support cycle.

soperj · 3 years ago
> which relied on Webkit

Which relied on KHTML.

danans · 3 years ago
> Which relied on KHTML.

Which was built on the QT toolkit created by Troll Tech [1]. QT was designed originally inspired by folks working on a cross-platform application for ultrasound imaging [2].

Turtles all the way down.

1. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/06/ars-at-wwdc-intervie...

2. https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_History

jimt1234 · 3 years ago
> ...is like expecting to win the lottery twice.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/10/28/delawa...

LOL

pmontra · 3 years ago
Actually Google didn't create YouTube. They bought it in 2006, 18 months after it was born. To be fair they grew it fairly well.
joshuamorton · 3 years ago
It merged with the already existing Google video. Both made important contributions to the resulting product.
jeroenhd · 3 years ago
As an end user, I never really saw much of Google Video's contributions. I'm sure they helped a lot in the backend, but the Youtube video player had all the core video features already when the two merged in my experience.
crconover · 3 years ago
I feel like Google Photos is a pretty incredible product.
aussiesnack · 3 years ago
> I feel like Google Photos is a pretty incredible product.

It was until they removed the Google Drive integration.

whitewingjek · 3 years ago
There are many other products especially privacy focused, ente.io[1], PhotoPrism[2] that look interesting but as of this writing they can't touch Google Photos in many respects, which is why my wife and other family members still use it heavily. It's probably the only reason I'm still holding on to my google account.

[1] https://ente.io/

[2] https://photoprism.app/

nyrulez · 3 years ago
They still don't have folders and have ignored years of feedback. The only reason I don't use it.
dudus · 3 years ago
I use albums pretty heavily. Never really missed the ability to create folders.
loudmax · 3 years ago
They might, but not under the current management.

The product that stands out to me is Stadia. As a technical achievement, Stadia is impressive, but Google managed to maximize all of the downsides to fully online gaming and minimize all of the benefits. No amount of engineering is going to save a company if the management is deluded or consumed with infighting.

One could also look at their history of undermining their own social or communication networks by throwing up a series of incompatible clients like Chat, Hangouts, Allo, or Duo. Same for Buzz, Orkut or Google+. Any of these could have been successful if they just stuck with it, but their behavior makes it extremely clear that we should expect these to be very short lived.

There are major business opportunities out there and Google is in a sound technical position to capitalize on them. But this would require a a degree of foresight and backbone that's absolutely anathema to the current management culture.

wollsmoth · 3 years ago
I'm pretty happy with Youtube TV, which I think is relatively new.

I think with the size they don't have a lot of interest in running "small" businesses even if they have some traction. Something like Stadia was maybe just wholly unprofitable but maybe had some benefits if they developed remote gameplay tech that might be re-used in another product someday or offered as apart of their cloud offerings.

I guess they'll eventually jump in on the upcoming AR war, but it might be hard to beat the offerings from Meta and Apple. Maybe they'll have the Android of AR?