Readit News logoReadit News
Posted by u/durmonski 3 years ago
Ask HN: What kind of life do you dream about?
Personally, my aim in life - my dream life - is to live a slow life. Own a small house somewhere in the woods. My days will be filled with writing and reading. What about you?
KeyXiote · 3 years ago
One with the opportunity to meet different kinds of people (not online), less judgemental and more collaborative. A life with multidisciplinary educated folks who want to share knowledge rather than compartmentalize it. The ability to reach out with creative ideas in different networks of knowledge without being passed over as a non expert. Less algorythmicly automated, or more transparent automation so I can better understand how my data is used/abused. A simpler life, basic and sustainable amenities, a job that feels fulfilling, work is work were not always going to love it, a community built around helping each other thrive. Less touch screen more tactile in every aspect. I have great ideas I want to execute on, but find it so hard to reach people in certain disciplines so I can get the right kinds of feedback. I can't drink due to a past medical procedure and this interestingly narrowed my social life, bolstered my physical health but not my mental health. Overall a more natural life that integrates with technology and progress, less fear mongering, more constructive criticism aimed at learning rather than shaming. Overall a freer experience, it's one thing to be told how free you are yet feel imprisoned by non normative systems that feel vacuous.
tux3 · 3 years ago
>but find it so hard to reach people in certain disciplines so I can get the right kinds of feedback

Well, I'm curious now, can you share more about what you're looking for? =)

KeyXiote · 3 years ago
I've been diving into linguistics, have always had better aptitude with language than mathematics, especially as a bilingual individual, German being my first language. However studying linguistics and the interconnection with math led to a personal breakthrough specifically physics/calculus related. However I am self teaching and really finding quantum mechanics/theoretical quantum physics fascinating and fairly comprehensible and have been working on some things in that realm, that said I feel like I'm most likely falling into a self bias trap, i.e. self confirmation based on inadequate information and missing fundamentals. I've tried to focus it more into a test project, specifically in the realm of cryptography, I have a fairly high aptitude for patturn recognition. I'm planning on utilizing it in designing both an embedded hardware/software application for security/authentication. It's difficult to articulate via this format, but there are through lines with a number of fields, specifically music synthesis, a hobby of mine for now, as well as circuit design, which I am also teaching myself, building my own eurorack synth modules. I'm still limited in my coding skill so that's kind of my start point right now. Deciding on a language is proving to be difficult especially with the new memory safe parameters, NIST standards etc. I have some experience with C++, planned on working more with python. The logic seems sound but don't have anyone to really sound off to help focus on things I'm inevitably missing. Apologies for the word salad, it's a lot to try and explain. My educational background is in social science research and cs networking. Had a lot of road blocks in the last 2 years which led to some personal hardships (not unique considering) which seem to be resulting in some positive breakthroughs. But I'm scraping 40 and and time certainly flies by, still paying off student loans etc, school really isn't an option unfortunately at this point, academia would be an ideal place/way to meet people. Bottom line is I need to nail down specifics to focus on and produce project results, but not an undertaking I feel I can or should solo. I'm relatively intelligent and might be better suited in a position to promt the smarter folks in the room on some of what I outlined. Hope this was somewhat comprehensible.
ok_dad · 3 years ago
What kind of stuff do you like working on?

Dead Comment

mod · 3 years ago
What's stopping you?

I live in a small house somewhere in the woods. I have 40 acres, a house, a woodshop, a nice "man shed", and several more small buildings for animals and equipment---and I bought all that for $60,000 in the Ozarks.

The slow life doesn't need much to sustain it after you buy your place; maybe it's time to jump off the cliff.

Things I've been doing lately: enjoying our first snow last night. Doing things by a kerosene lantern (because I like lanterns). Wandering the woods...I found a "deadhead" a couple of days ago in great shape. Baking bread. Planting fig trees in my garden. Watching the sunrise. Drinking warm cups of hot cocoa. Making some holiday gifts in my woodshop, with wood harvested from my land.

I'm missing someone to share it with. Add someone to the above: that's the kind of life I dream about.

Good luck to you!

nostrademons · 3 years ago
"I'm missing someone to share it with."

That's what's stopping me. I was effectively retired before I had kids. Unfortunately, I want certain things for the people I love:

- My kids to be close to their grandparents (and my wife to be close to her parents), who live in the most expensive metro area in the country and aren't likely to move because their other child now has a home & job here.

- My kids to have good schools where they'll get the academic & cultural base they need to be successful in STEM or business fields, should they choose to go that route.

- My family to not be an outcast because of their race. (I'm mixed-race and so am not going to fit into racial categories no matter where I go, but my kids basically look Asian and it's important for my wife to be around people near her.)

- My wife and I to be close enough to keep up our old friendships.

- Given that I've got to work to afford #1-4, being able to do so in a field that I'm good at, with people that I enjoy working with and a work culture that respects me.

Community and relationships create entanglements. If you are willing to optimize only for your own happiness, you can often reach a significantly higher happiness bar then if you have to compromise for the people around you. Unfortunately, it also means you are optimizing only for your own happiness, which creates its own form of unhappiness.

mod · 3 years ago
I'm also "effectively retired" so that makes being out here for long stretches pretty easy. I own a bar, but I have 4-hour-work-weeked myself out of any steady obligations there. Of course, I'm working way harder out here improving the land than I ever would at the bar.

I'm a bit of a loner so it's easy for me to be out here. I visit my dad about every week, and that's plenty. My mom lives 1200 miles away, so I guess I have to choose. I don't actually have kids yet, so less of a concern at this point. I'd really like to find someone compatible with this lifestyle, but I would be willing to give it up under the right circumstances. My favorite thing out here is the freedom, and I can approximate that in many other places.

[Outcasts] I think the fears of racial tensions are mostly over-hyped. I'm not saying you'd never run into some overt racist out here, but the population density here is 8.8/sq mi. Compared to the 18,635/sq mi in San Francisico and I don't know...the odds seem greatly reduced, even if the racists are 10 times more likely (which they aren't IMO). I've only met good people so far, in my 7 years here. You get to choose where you interact, and so I've chosen places like Scouts, the school, and a volunteer group that protects our national river here. Great people in all 3 places. That said, it's very homogeneous in my particular county. I'm sure there's differences across the country, though.

[Friendships] I've considered moving over friendships. One, actually. I just don't want to move "back home" (Florida). I visit that friend for almost a month per year, though.

[Work] Yeah. I also worked remotely from here for a few years, and that went well. But there's no way I could have an office job & commute here. No way.

Your last paragraph is on the nose, and I'm definitely struggling with that. It winds up making me feel tied to several places and pulled in many directions. I also have diverse interests/hobbies/talents that do the same.

Anyway not trying to change your mind. I like the 8.8. And honestly I agree with all your points. Maybe my life will be wildly different if I meet someone. I better hurry up, I'm about to age-out!

rahimnathwani · 3 years ago
This sounds amazing! I'm not willing to make the necessary trade-offs. Some of the things we might lose if we were to move from San Francisco to somewhere rural:

- my 6yo son's school, which is an amazing fit for him

- proximity to my wife's family

- comfortable weather all year round

- not standing out by being Asian

- easy access to Asian groceries

- 10 mins' drive to Costco

I would love to have a room per hobby/craft. Needing to pack/unpack and setup/teardown stuff like the sewing machine creates a mental barrier to using them. I can't just quickly fix something on a whim. Second order effect: each time I use the sewing machine I need to relearn somewhat.

mod · 3 years ago
I hear you, and not to argue with your points, but I have some comments.

- There is a very close school here, as I happen to live in the tiny area that has the school for a pretty big region. They have very few students (graduating classes of 10-20). I'm not sure how good the school is, but I knew a second grader who tested 99.9 percentile on the Iowa standardized test. So it's at least passable? I think schooling is a big rural concern, for sure, but worth the tradeoff of getting to grow up in a place like this. There's much to learn that isn't in a textbook.

- [Comfortable weather] There's other regions, of course. I don't love the summer here, but I like the 3 other seasons. And in summer I just travel and work inside more. It's not even the heat, it's the bugs in this region. Ticks, mostly.

- [Asian] You would stand out here, but wouldn't be receiving any hatred or anything. The man I bought my property from married a Filipino woman, and she had a daughter who went to the little school here. They didn't speak much English when they arrived. Anyway she loved the school, and married locally and had children. They all still live very close; they moved away when I bought this place, and moved back after a couple of years. No groceries in this county for you, though, sorry. No stoplights, either, so you can imagine why niche businesses don't spring up. That goes for all niches. We have farm stores, dollar stores, grocery stores, gas stations, and that's about it. Dry county, too.

- [Costco] That's kinda nice, but then you're 10 minutes from Costco, and for me, that eliminates a lot of why I like to be out here. You can wander all around my property and all you're going to see is trees, wildlife, mountain views...and my stuff. There's no towers, homes, roads, billboards, vehicles, radios, any of it, unless you choose to bring it here. That said, I own a business in town, and I commute usually once per week, so I can do my shopping while I'm there.

- [Room per] My county has no building code, so you can build whatever you like out here. That's cool. I do stuff like this. I have an area for leatherwork, an area with my sewing machine, my woodshop. Fly tying in a spare bedroom. A home gym. Etc. That's one of my favorite things. If I ever have a family out here, maybe I'll stick the kids' bedrooms in a separate building once they're 10 or so.

I visited SF in 2020, right before COVID. I had a great time. Very interesting city. I do love cities, too, but they don't feed me like this place. In another life, I'll be an almost-anonymous resident of a massive city, one unimportant detail. In contrast to out here, where I'm the only one who can affect any change.

What are you sewing? I'm about to make a tipi cover on a Singer model 128 (a treadle machine).

hnthrowaway0315 · 3 years ago
Nice. I guess once you put up a telescope somewhere there it's going to have good view because of darkness?

Sigh wish I could do that. Going to be next life.

mod · 3 years ago
Don't even need a telescope. You wouldn't believe how many stars are out there, no telescope required.

You can always visit the wilderness. No need to live here.

But I sympathize. I have many other lives I'd like to live, as well.

enchiridion · 3 years ago
How do you protect your fig trees in the winter? I used to pack leaves and straw around them and wrap in plastic, but I didn’t like the resulting mold in the spring.

Last year I just used bubble wrap and plastic, but a lot of the smaller branches died.

mod · 3 years ago
Truthfully, I haven't had fig trees before. My neighbor (and uncle) has some that I love the fruit of, so I got some myself.

That said, I don't think he does anything. They need watered the first growing season, if there's not enough rain, and that's it. They grow well here with no insect pressure, climate issues, etc.

Our winters are mild, and we rarely get below-zero temps. Usually a couple overnights each year.

alexfromapex · 3 years ago
This sounds good but I wouldn't want to be too remote
mod · 3 years ago
That's fair. Not a problem for me, and I am definitely remote.

You can have a very similar setup close to civilization, it just costs a lot more.

For instance, in my region, acreage might go as little as about $2000/acre still. But when you get close to town, you might pay 10k/acre or more, even "out here." Town meaning a county seat or something, not a metropolis.

Anyway, I chose it because it was remote. I can still get USPS and UPS deliveries, though, so Amazon is on the table. I relied on it heavily in the beginning; I find I don't have to buy many things now.

Gualdrapo · 3 years ago
> What's stopping you?

> The slow life doesn't need much to sustain it after you buy your place

That's exactly what it's stopping me, being able to afford a place.

mod · 3 years ago
I hope you can figure it out.

For me, the place I bought reduced my expenses. My rent was more than my mortgage ($625/month). That rate was high because I only took a six-year loan, and paid it off quickly.

I had previously been paying $850 in rent.

bitxbitxbitcoin · 3 years ago
Whatcha gonna do with the deadhead?
mod · 3 years ago
I hung it on the wall in my "gym" for now.

I have a lot of antler already for projects, so I intend to leave it how it is. It's pretty cool looking.

No specific plans, I guess.

a_bored_husky · 3 years ago
I want a boring life, free of drama and conflict. I also dont want to worry about money. To be clear I dont want to be rich nor to have a ton of luxuries, I just want to dedicate to my hobbies and family and somehow always have the minimal amount of money at hand to satisfy whatever need arises.
steego · 3 years ago
Same, but I’d love to own as few things as possible, but have access to things when I need them.

At this point in my life, I would just like to be a friendly NPC that helps open doors for other people.

clarents · 3 years ago
I love this comment, especially your last line. It sounds so peaceful!
mikewarot · 3 years ago
I want my health back... before Long Covid, I used to dream of not working... and here I am, can't work... scraping by though, so I don't need to.

I want a lab, with a machine shop, and the ability to fabricate anything, like Dan Gelbart. I'd just spend my days making stuff, perhaps trying to build a semiconductor fab fab like Sam Zeloof is doing. (Yes, machines that make fab lines)

I want a personal megawatt, with which I could extract metals from the dirt in the back yard, or whatever.

At this point, however, I'd like to just have a situation where people can ask me questions that they are stuck on, and I can dig back into all the things I've learned and read, and seen, and pull out some answers that can help them. And maybe get paid to do that, so I can buy a few toys.

mod · 3 years ago
Have you considered the Gingery series? That could be fun if you have the physical capacity. Seems like you have all the required interest.

Cheers.

mikewarot · 3 years ago
I would if I could... I've got stuff in the garage I don't have energy to clear out.
hash07e · 3 years ago
I am really thorn in replying to you..

In one side you seem so smart. but seem like a person that will throw things because they were not "approved".

But as is with everyone and I am sometimes like this too I am replying to you.

If you have long covid -> https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-recove...

"But stranger this is fringe/conspiracy/lunatic"

Just follow it. I would add NAC(600mg then 1200 on 3day) and niacin(WITH flush) on first line. but do as you feel like.

worst case scenario you will have a diarrhea for one day and smelly farts.

Do it for two weeks.

gravypod · 3 years ago
> Dan Gelbart

Thanks for the pointer. This person is awesome and I just subscribed to their channel.

motohagiography · 3 years ago
This dream you mention, I happen to be living it. Do it, or some variation of it, even if you would be just renting the dream for a while. Dreams are often conditions we put on choosing to be happy. Achieving a variation of a dream can show how many of the other things we did before were just palliative substitutes to taking the action that would result in change. I did a bunch of hobbies that were substitutes for meeting the condition I had put on my own happiness (living in the country), and they were productive and virtuous and give me a lot to do out here now, but they are less urgent to do now that I don't use them to relieve the suffering imposed by conditions I had chosen.

The difference now is I sit by a fire in a field watching the moon, typically with a mug of tea or a glass of red wine, listening to the deer and the crickets until the baying of the coyotes gets too close, giving deep consideration to questions pertaining to reason and existence. Then I write them as glib comments on HN. I can do anything I want, and yet still I do this. It's really pretty good. I highly recommend it. Stop dreaming and just change.

savryn · 3 years ago
Are you lonely doing this out there on your own?

and are you sad to be outside the great game, so to speak, that maybe less smart, and certainly far less virtuous men will outcompete you on by merely showing up?

I'm a woman trying to figure out the different natures of men that are drawn to go live in the woods, it's really hard to tell apart the Walden types from the Kaszynski types

(as I rambled about here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32681450)

and come to think of it, neither of those men had children... maybe there's a tiny sliver of deadness in both those ways of being, idk

motohagiography · 3 years ago
> I'm a woman trying to figure out the different natures of men that are drawn to go live in the woods it's really hard to tell apart the Walden types from the Kaszynski types

That's very funny, but presumably you could just find one and figure it out? They have to come into town at some point for food, gas, liquor, and maybe ammo or the steakhouse. At least the ones who do come in, you don't have to worry about; the ones who don't ever come in, perhaps one should.

ihoafw8932 · 3 years ago
Total long shot here, but I was reading your comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33759326 and really enjoyed the keen insight on the situation which inspired me to read more from you. Next I downloaded the book Focusing by Eugene Gendlin on your recommendation. Then I went further and saw this comment and the comment you linked to here and what you're looking for. HN doesn't seem to have a PM system, but let me know if you'd be willing to chat and I'll put my contact email in my profile.
hnthrowaway0315 · 3 years ago
My idea of dream life:

- Own a cabin and some acre of lands in some not too remote woods (so still accessible to city hospitals)

- Half of time spent on family life such as outing with $wifie and watching sky using telescope with $son; Half of time spent on learning hardware and low level programming and such;

- Maybe also learn some surviving skills, nothing too fancy and physical demanding. And own a couple of dogs and cats;

Dead Comment

borroka · 3 years ago
My dream life consists of these activities, fueled by a good deal of money and freedom:

- Extensive travel to urban locations (e.g., Paris, New York, Buenos Aires, Rio, HK, Melbourne) and less traveled routes or experiences (e.g., Central Asia, Patagonia, Trans-Siberian Express). Some trips of a few days, some longer stays, 2 weeks to 2 months.

I would prefer to have 3-4 houses in strategic cities, but can do with hotels. I know a journalist, quite famous, but not quite a household name yet, who owns houses in Paris, NYC, Italy, SF.

My main house would be near a big city, maybe NYC, maybe Buenos Aires. A small compound like the one Nicolai Hel, the protagonist of the novel Shibumi, owns in the Basque Country? It's intriguing. The most intriguing house I have seen in my life was in Havana, Cuba, in the neighborhood of Vedado. Almost all open air, shades of red everywhere, light, flowy curtains separating the spaces.

- I would love to write and have my work published. Mostly not about current events, but short stories, "thoughts" about life, travel and other cultures. In magazines and periodicals, with articles and thoughts sometimes collected in a book

- I can't help but train and practice martial arts, sports or movements. This must be included in my ideal life

- I would like a main partner and a network of companions around the world.

A little more about material stuff. I would not be interested in owning cars, motorcycles, boats, watches. But I do like fine tailored clothes.

Maybe children. But would I spend 11 months at home? I doubt it.

I'm not interested in fame, I like more the idea of reinventing myself every year.

Basically, I would like to live like a nobleman of the 19th century, including the occasional archeological discovery.

culopatin · 3 years ago
You don’t need much money to be rich in Buenos Aires right now if you have cash. And you can have a pretty nice place 2h from the city, nice in what you want, remote and basic, mild weather, no natural disasters, but you always have some level of crime like breakins if you’re gone for too long or stolen little crap and shit like that
borroka · 3 years ago
Buenos Aires is a city I know well, I visited quite a few times and I will do it again in a couple of weeks.

But making it my home base would be in the context of the life I am talking about. If I must work, like unfortunately I still have to do, Buenos Aires is a way less attractive destination for me, since not many companies are allowing remote work from down there (my company does not, although I can move freely in the US) and there is the usual visa problem. And it is also quite far away from everything, it is, geographically, similar to California, which is far away from most locations I am interested in (East Coast, Europe, Far East Asia).

scandox · 3 years ago
Anyone I've met who lives approximately this kind of life has struck me as a world class bore.

It's the life of someone who just can't commit. I get the fantasy but I think the reality is hollow.

borroka · 3 years ago
Although I appreciate the observation and may agree to some extent, there are confounding factors to consider. Many people have been born into this life because of well-off parents and families, and their attitude toward this life may, indeed, be boring.

But I am sure I would have a lot of fun, as I myself am living a similar life now, though scaled down in breadth and ambition.

bradlys · 3 years ago
Married to a wonderful woman who contributes in every way to our home - in the same way that I do. 2-3 children. Building my own house while the kids are growing up - in the Santa Cruz Mountains (or Portola valley or woodside or whatever). Spending time riding and rebuilding motorcycles, cars, bikes, and so forth. Having a woodworking shop and other DIY stuff.

Working a job where I make the decisions rather than implementing someone else’s poorly made decisions. Spending time with my friends regularly. Dancing with my kids and showing them all the fun things there are to do.

I have little interest in reading or writing. Rather spend it making something with my hands, playing with kids, or spending time with my wife.

All of these things looked very possible about a year ago. Now they’re looking extremely distant now that I’m divorced, penniless (lost 90% of NW), and generally looking like it’s not going to change anytime soon.