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cavanasm · 3 years ago
The title of the job opening says computational chemistry, but the details indicate they're looking for someone with credentials in one of a few different computation / simulation specialized fields. If I had to guess, it seems possible they think those types of simulation design skills may be useful for simulating user social behavior somehow?
c7b · 3 years ago
No, it's really about material science and biology, just read further in the ad:

Responsibilities

• Follow the latest progress in computational science such as material and biology.

• Solve real-world problems in material and biology, with computational approaches such as molecular dynamics, quantum chemistry, and machine learning.

• Optimize and speed up classical molecular dynamics and quantum chemistry algorithms with artificial intelligence and high-throughput computational methods.

ackbar03 · 3 years ago
That will be cool if their really looking to expand into something useful like biochemistry r&d, similar to Google with deepmind.

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dcolkitt · 3 years ago
Yeah, this isn't really that different than quant hedge funds hiring theoretical physics PhDs. It's not like you're actually going to be doing Yang Mills field equations to trade some stocks. They just need a guy to run some linear regressions, and can afford to find someone really really overqualified so they don't screw up.
blululu · 3 years ago
Not sure if these people are overqualified as much as the fact that people who check the box on paper are generally unqualified. Generally good people can only really do math up to a few years below the highest level that they learned in school. If you actually need someone to do basic linear algebra you probably want somehow who took classes that went well beyond the freshman/sophomore level that everyone has.
bee_rider · 3 years ago
Black–Scholes comes from Brownian motion, maybe they are fishing for the next idea in that fashion.

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jollyllama · 3 years ago
Modeling user brain chemistry? Ominous.
kirykl · 3 years ago
self-aware General AI who's existence is entirely made of simulated eons of watching tiktoks
amelius · 3 years ago
"Our brightest minds are making people click ads" ...
api · 3 years ago
A few generations ago many of our brightest minds were building doomsday weapons to incinerate all life on Earth, so maybe this is progress.
SQueeeeeL · 3 years ago
Probably not, if you shoot a man, there's a perpetrator and an end. If you brainwash a man, forever his actions will no longer be fully his own. Plus most people view violence as something undesirable (see Vietnam war protests), but advertising still has many hawks who will never stop singing it's praises while all public spaces are consumed by corporate branding until we have no where uninfected
TheCoelacanth · 3 years ago
Nuclear weapons have killed about ~200k people in all of history.

Advertising probably kills that many people most months when you consider things like:

* Convincing people that various groups needs to be genocided

* Convincing people to use cars instead of less dangerous methods of transportation

* Convincing people to use fossil fuels instead of less polluting forms of energy

* Convincing people to eat unhealthy foods

* Convincing people to smoke cigarettes

I'm not convinced that advertising is less dangerous than nuclear weapons.

goatcode · 3 years ago
Is it? Would you rather be dead or a zombie?
otabdeveloper4 · 3 years ago
"Making people click ads" is just applied computational sociology.

Which is a good thing, since the sociology we had before clickable ads was unequivocally less scientific and useful.

ggpsv · 3 years ago
"good" and "sociology" are surely carrying a lot of weight in that statement. What does "good" mean applied in this context?

I'm not sure I see the connection to sociology though, do yo mean behavioral economics?

amelius · 3 years ago
But the knowledge we gain is only about triggering the bad paths of human brain, like addiction, greed, FOMO, etc. And who is "we" anyway, this stuff isn't public.
thih9 · 3 years ago
TikTok was not the first company that came to my mind when I read that comment. I see way more ads on Instagram, Twitter, not to mention YouTube.
cmelbye · 3 years ago
TikTok will make $11B in ad revenue this year. It is their business model. This is twice as large as Twitter's business, and a third of Instagram or YouTube.
vladf · 3 years ago
I've seen and heard and said this before... where is this quote from?
crucialfelix · 3 years ago
It's from a reworking of Howl by Allen Ginsburg, reframing it for our era.

The original is an amazing poem well worth reading

https://poets.org/poem/howl-parts-i-ii

65934 · 3 years ago
Still better than wasting away the intelligence inventing something that will never hit the market and make any impact
sterlind · 3 years ago
no. it's better to contribute nothing than contribute net harm.
eunos · 3 years ago
Bytedance wanted to enter Biotech for a while https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/bytedance-ai-drug/
ProjectArcturis · 3 years ago
Is this like when Google started throwing off massive amounts of money, and Larry and Sergei were like, "I dunno, let's solve aging"?
melling · 3 years ago
Let’s hope so. Not enough of this in the world:

“We choose to do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard”

But I’d be happy with a little Bell Labs at a few more companies

bismuthcrystal · 3 years ago
More like:

“We choose to do these things not because they are easy but because they are profitable”

ta988 · 3 years ago
They would have to spend a LOT more to go bell labs. Until now they spend way too little to achieve anything. And for companies like Google have real managers for those groups instead of people only good at optimizing metrics.
hotpotamus · 3 years ago
I wonder if the Google Graveyard is full of things that proved to be too hard?
aaaaaaaaaaab · 3 years ago
And it was a resounding success! (Not)
fullshark · 3 years ago
It was a resounding success for Google's brand perception among job applicants.
case0x00 · 3 years ago
[techcrunch article from 2020](https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/bytedance-ai-drug/). I guess its not actually tiktok, but bytedance
kuu · 3 years ago
In the description:

Team Introduction

Scientific Computing team has been focusing on tackling challenges in natural sciences including biology, physics, and materials, with computational tools such as Machine Learning, Computational Chemistry, High-throughput Computation. Our goal is to create breakthroughs in natural science with new methodology and help the world.

Responsibilities

• Follow the latest progress in computational science such as material and biology.

• Solve real-world problems in material and biology, with computational approaches such as molecular dynamics, quantum chemistry, and machine learning.

• Optimize and speed up classical molecular dynamics and quantum chemistry algorithms with artificial intelligence and high-throughput computational methods.

---

Maybe they do some research related with biology and they need a Computational Chemistry expert?

photochemsyn · 3 years ago
This sounds like an entirely in silico research effort. It's also kind of weird, there's apparently no public history of ByteDance or Tiktok doing any kind of work like this. The closet thing is the "ByteDance AI Lab" but that seems to be recommendation-algorithm-focused, nothing about computational chemistry.

It looks like some of their people have recently left for academia, so maybe it's just trying to get people into their AI lab with the necessary skills? Honestly doesn't seem like a very promising role for someone primarily interested in chem/bio applications, though.

addcn · 3 years ago
TikTok, Facebook and Twitter are pharmaceutical companies. They peddle quick dopamine hits. We're all junkies that can't/won't pay for the hits so they wrap up the drugs they give us in ad-paper.
tenebrisalietum · 3 years ago
This analogy is cringe because it's overstretched. Argument: For example, are books considered pharmaceutical products (typically not quick--that would be like "delayed release" medicine) just because you get pleasure from reading them?
drooby · 3 years ago
Not that cringe to me.

Tiktok and the like are highly addictive for some people and the dopamine kicks are real and unhealthy.

Reading books does not give the same release of dopamine as TikTok/Instagram.. hence why most people don’t read for 2 hours a day but many people easily spend that much time on insta/tik.

Modulating behavior can cause physical withdrawals.. you don’t need a pill. I.e lovers, gambling addicts, porn addicted.

sfpotter · 3 years ago
Saying things are cringe is the cringest thing of all.
humanistbot · 3 years ago
It is because of the massive psychological engineering that takes place behind the scenes. Authors or book publishing companies do not hire teams of psychologists to engineer and A/B test their products to try to get you locked into a dopamine reward cycle. The same kind of approaches that casinos do to hook you in and keep you addicted are now standard in these mobile apps.
Fendii · 3 years ago
If you follow the original comment, yes.

I think you need a better discussion tool here.

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omoikane · 3 years ago
Maybe they already have a list of individuals that they want to hire, and they are trying to write the job requisition to fit those individuals' backgrounds.