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Posted by u/swyx 3 years ago
Ask HN: Best dev tool pitches of all time?
Hey folks! I'm trying to actively get better at pitching developer tools. So I had the idea of collecting an inspiration list of the "best of all time". Would like to crowdsource this!

The vibe I'm going for is pitches that left you with a clear "before" and "after" division in your life where you not only "got it" but also keep referring to it from that point onward.

Obvious candidate for example is DHH's 15 minute Rails demo (and i've been told the Elixir Liveview demo is similar) and Solomon Hykes' Docker demo.

What other pitch is like that? (or successfully pitches a developer tool in a different way, up to your interpretation)

johns · 3 years ago
This deserves a top-level comment. John Britton's NY Tech Meetup demo of Twilio[0] in 2010 is legendary. The CEO had been doing it in small groups for a little while, but the whole dynamic of it changed in such a large venue. Epitome of "show, don't tell." Hard to overstate what an impact it had on the company at the time (I think we were about 25 employees).

[0]: https://avc.com/2010/08/how-to-pitch-a-product/

stingraycharles · 3 years ago
A great sign of this being a classic is that I have heard about this a dozen times before, but this is the first time I actually saw the video. Absolutely great demo, also because it’s so low profile: it’s the type of demo we can all imagine ourselves doing at a meetup, it’s not the kind of super-smooth demo that only a charismatic Steve Jobs-type personality can pull off.

It lets the product do the talking. But that’s also the caveat of this demo: it’s typically very difficult to figure out how to engage your audience in such a way with your product, and Twilio being in the mobile space makes that a lot easier.

wyclif · 3 years ago
it’s not the kind of super-smooth demo that only a charismatic Steve Jobs-type personality can pull off

And that's exactly why I like this demo so much more than even the original iPhone demo.

johndbritton · 3 years ago
Aw, shucks. Y’all are very kind.

This was also a pivotal moment in my career, so much good stuff traces back to this five minute demo.

tekknolagi · 3 years ago
Long time no see :) Great demo.
anildash · 3 years ago
Was one of the first I was going to mention. Being on the board of the NY Tech Meetup, and in the room for the demo, it was electric. Set the bar for every similar demo that followed.
swyx · 3 years ago
ooh - any other favorites that come to mind from the NY Tech Meetup scene?
swyx · 3 years ago
great tip - thank you. i have a pet saying that with developers, the classic advice of "talk benefits, not features" doesnt work

(https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1361279902889086980?s=20&t=A...)

swyx · 3 years ago
(author here) I've now added this to my tracking list of pitches:

https://dx.tips/pitches

thanks for the suggestion on John Britton's talk!

kilroy123 · 3 years ago
So much nostalgia. I feel like tech was so much more fun back then. I've been working for software companies for 15 years, it just felt more fun back then. Maybe I'm older and more jaded?
rlt · 3 years ago
My theory is tech downturns are more fun because it flushes out the people who were only there for the money, leaving those truly passionate about technology.

But it’s also possible I’m just older and more jaded.

jayzalowitz · 3 years ago
I can hear myself wooing in the background! (The semicolon bit too, because I was a php dev back then!)

I am old now.

Im pretty sure @alexisohanian was there too.

dmor · 3 years ago
Came here to post this <3

It’s funny, the impact this had internally. It’s like we all believed in what we were doing even more when we felt that magic. I hadn’t watched this again since it happened, still gave me chills.

2143 · 3 years ago
If anyone wants the YouTube link for the above: https://youtu.be/-VuXIgp9S7o

You can thank me later.

stavros · 3 years ago
I will thank you later.
herodoturtle · 3 years ago
I am thanking you later.
mmcnl · 3 years ago
Live coding always makes me so nervous, even if it's just a simple example.
capableweb · 3 years ago
Best way to get better is to just practice, practice and practice (if you want to get better). But even then, always have a snippet in some tab/window behind everything when you're presenting, so in case you get stuck, you can copy-paste a snippet you know is working. Also removes a bit of the edge as you know you have a backup.
layer8 · 3 years ago
You might get some inspiration from Bret Victor’s videos/demos: http://worrydream.com/

Personally I do not remember ever having the experience you describe, but that’s probably because in my formative years videos mostly didn’t exist yet on the internet, and I learned new tools from reading books, software documentation, forums and blog posts. And once you’ve reached a certain experience level, it becomes much more difficult to get your mind blown by some new tool, because the ideas usually have all been there in some form already, and you also see the limitations and possible drawbacks more quickly.

ignoramous · 3 years ago
Bret Victor's Inventing on Principle is even better (albeit it isn't only a product pitch): https://youtu.be/PUv66718DII
ripley12 · 3 years ago
This. Bret Victor’s Inventing on Principle talk changed my life.

And the funny thing is, he’s not pitching a tool or even his own specific principles; it’s largely a talk about how you can work toward a cause of your own choosing. But Bret’s principle and the tools he built to demonstrate it are so compelling that they’ve lived in my head rent-free for years.

gorkemcetin · 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing this, absolutely lovely content here.
janejeon · 3 years ago
Not an answer to OP, but I just wanted to say thank you for this thread (and everyone for answering).

I've been insanely burnt out by random bullshit at work, wondering why I'm even in this business to begin with, and after watching a few of these it really motivated me, brought back the old memories of wanting to build cool stuff and ideas to solve real problems (a lot of the ideas that I still hold onto), and made me realize that I'm unhappy with work because all I was doing was just people bullshit and bureaucracy bullshit every day, and not actually out there, building stuff; that I just became "yet another white collar worker" and not a hacker and an engineer.

And that has allowed to see what went wrong, and plan for how to get out of this "ditch of boring, stressful politics and human pit".

Seriously, thank you. Without this thread, I would've likely continued to slog on at work without remembering my buried ambitions.

WalterGR · 3 years ago
There was a massive amount of excitement around Light Table when it was first demoed. I remember one or more pretty amazing videos. I don't have link(s) on-hand.

Project: http://lighttable.com/

HN search: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

The top submission there is the place to start.

codetrotter · 3 years ago
> The top submission there is the place to start

Thread in question, from April 13, 2012: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3836978

The submitted link returns 404 but the Internet Archive has snapshots of it. Here is a snapshot from the day after it was submitted. https://web.archive.org/web/20120414175814/http://www.chris-...

The embedded video from the above link does not play for me in the Internet Archive snapshot, but it's still available on https://vimeo.com/40281991

And here is what the Light Table website looked like in 2013 https://web.archive.org/web/20130120114346/http://lighttable...

Submissions about Light Table linking to pages on the Light Table website https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=lighttable.com

ibdknox · 3 years ago
Huh, not sure why the original link changed. It's still on my blog here: https://chris-granger.com/2012/04/12/light-table-a-new-ide-c...
WalterGR · 3 years ago
Thanks!
hyuuu · 3 years ago
what happened to the idea?
randlet · 3 years ago
This is the one that immediately sprang to mind for me too. Hype around it was huge and then seemed to die away pretty quickly.
jedberg · 3 years ago
The first time I saw a demo for Google Cloud Spanner I felt this way. All they did was pull up a massive dataset, and then start running queries on it, but from someone who had dealt with datasets of that size, it was just plain impressive.

Pretty much every answer here is a form of, "present a problem that no one thought was solvable, then show the solution you've already built".

swyx · 3 years ago
i think thats great because you had the context for what the state of the art was at the time, and then were presented with something clearly beyond.

i'm interested in how to do that, but with extra added context for those without your context. maybe like a "ghost" view (like how people do in speedrun games) of where you'd be/what you'd have to do without the thing.

jedberg · 3 years ago
Right it worked well because it was done at a conference on big data, so everyone in the audience was primed. But finding targeted audiences is a good way to shortcut the context.

Also important is knowing if your tool is early or late in the innovation cycle. If you're early on, then the biggest part of your job is convincing people they have a problem they need solving in the first place (arguably blockchain is in this phase right now, where a lot of what those companies have to do is convince people they are solving a real problem). If you're later on, like Cloud Spanner, people already know they have a problem and will be excited about a solution.

spitfire · 3 years ago
Steve Jobs demo of NeXT's interface builder and enterprise object framework.

The IB demo has him building an interface without touching code. He goes on to demo a simple app without code. This was in 1989, I'm still waiting for Linux to get close to that.

The EOF demo has him building a CRUD app with queries and joins from IB. Again in 1990. Imagine the original rails tutorial but 15 years earlier. Still waiting on this one too.

KerrAvon · 3 years ago
What’s interesting is that NeXT and Apple dropped the ball on essentially all of that stuff. IB was never as nice to use for UIKit as it originally was for AppKit. Bits of EOF made it into macOS (I think this was the origin of KVO?) but as I understand it, most of it went into WebObjects, which got ported to Java and eventually end-of-lifed.

If IB had kept up with UIKit/CoreAnimation/Autolayout — or the frameworks had made sure to make IB an integrated part of those features, I’m convinced that SwiftUI wouldn’t exist because there would have been no need.

lelanthran · 3 years ago
> The IB demo has him building an interface without touching code. He goes on to demo a simple app without code. This was in 1989, I'm still waiting for Linux to get close to that.

Close to what? Building an interface without touching code? You could do it for over a decade, at least.

wantoncl · 3 years ago
eismcc · 3 years ago
he shows a db interface builder at: https://youtu.be/rf5o5liZxnA?t=1387

the video on the whole is pretty mind boggling.

spitfire · 3 years ago
That's one of them. There's a few more with really dark screens floating around that go into a bit more detail.
mtmail · 3 years ago
Way back when AWS EC2 was announced by Jeff Bezos. He showed a graph where a startup needed to scale fast because startup's launch went viral and they were able to add more power (machines, cpu etc) quick. OK, nice. But then the first launch hype was over and EC2 allowed them to scale down equally fast to safe money. That was the killer feature for me: servers rented by the hour.
ignoramous · 3 years ago
Reminds me of this Jeff Bezos interview from 2006 where he talks about S3 and goes, "It is hard to come up with a web application that doesn't need to remember things".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQt0hF8jOo&t=355

swyx · 3 years ago
if anyone could find this graph/talk, i would very much appreciate it!
ignoramous · 3 years ago
May be this one where Bezos speaks about Animoto at Startup School 2008: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/uIc-VB-ke9o

Here's the full talk (which was titled, AWS: We make electricity, so you don't have to): https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/6nKfFHuouzA

jbandela1 · 3 years ago
Another is Bill Gates Visual Basic 1.0 demo

It was revolutionary. Before that, making a Windows GUI was pretty low level with calls to C APIs and callbacks and registrations.

Visual Basic changed all that with point and drag and drop and you could make a GUI in a matter of minutes.

https://youtu.be/Fh_UDQnboRw

WillDeAth · 3 years ago
Having Visual Basic as the first language I ever wrote, this is awesome to see the pitch!
intrepidsoldier · 3 years ago
The original LowCode demo.
protomyth · 3 years ago
Steve Jobs NeXT development demos were out before 1991.