This is insane. One side is doing everything they can to rig elections and even tried to overthrow the government and end the democratic process. And then the other side is judged for being taken aback by that? Are we supposed to pretend like nothing is happening?
It is about framing the issue. A lot of people perceived the event as a bunch of hillbillies dressed up like Indians that illegally stormed a building, rather than an actually believable threat to the democratic process. They don't see anything that is even look like the end of the democratic process.
It is one of the many political topics that has a strong polarizing effect, which in turn results in hate and anger.
"The Event" isn't the whole of it though, Trump tried a lot of different ways to try to get the result overturned. The events of Jan 6th are only a small part of the picture.
They may not have been a believable threat. But trying to strong-arm more votes out of various places, refusal to concede, throwing around unfounded allegations of mass cheating, constantly, and then the mountain of lawsuits and talking heads... it's beyond the pale.
If they don't see that threat, when would they? Because from here it looks far more like they don't care so long as it's their guy. And that's scary.
I firmly believe that people from the old establishment abused intelligence work against a political opposition with lies that were picked up by media without a single ounce of sensible criticism. This was such a huge scandal that I cannot condemn anyone that seriously believed that elections were manipulate, maybe Trump himself believed it since it was rather blatant. You are allowed to dislike Trump of course and his behavior relating to giving up power. But that is very much shadowed by using federal agencies to get dirt on people. That isn't democratic at all, it is dirtiest political play and I think more than some people have lost their mask.
I honestly can't tell the difference between when people are talking about QAnon or BlueAnon unless a specific event is stated that would give me more context. Seems like others cannot tell the difference either.
that's not a gaffe. If you assert it's a gaffe, you must now explain a ton more.
>And then the other side is judged for being taken aback by that? Are we supposed to pretend like nothing is happening?
Someone could blame the media but that's beside the point. The USA is more divided today that I have ever seen it. According to articles ive read, the divide is larger today than it has been since the civil war. Thusly probable that another civil war is coming but oh boy is this one ever going to be one sided.
Of course it's a gaffe. Biden is visibly affected by senility. How could you think it's anything but a gaffe? Do you really think that if he was aware of systematic voter fraud strategy being developed that he would actually give a speech about it?
Mostly aesthetic and cultural differences. Both lie about other countries, threaten war, perform coups and bomb other countries.
The US democrats exist to divert any worker resistance into channels they can then sabotage. In many ways they're more right wing than the US Republicans, especially when it comes to foreign policy.
If you look at the actual questions in the study, they were all phrased in reference to “someone that voted for the opposing presidential candidate”, not “the other party” or people with opposing views in general, as this article states. It’s clearly more about young Dem’s feelings towards Trump than Republicans in general.
How is anyone still a republican or democrat these days? I understand being forced to vote as the system is rigged for two parties, but outside of the voting booth, actively identifying with either party? How is anyone finding these absolute crooks relatable?
From an outside, non-US-citizen perspective, it boggles my mind that people in the US think of relatability as a distinguishing factor when choosing a political candidate/party to run their country.
I do not need to happily drink a beer with Merkel to know she was an efficient chancellor who all things considered did a lot of good (and some bad) to my country, nor do I need to find Scholz unlikeable to believe his coalition will be a net negative for our general well-being. What people around me care about is whether their government is capable of solving what the voters think are pressing matters, not necessarily if politicians are likeable.
Sometimes, it is all about trade-offs, even if the less bad choice comes with a crook.
I blame the horrifyingly bad educational system for that; it's hard to have any functional democracy when most of your voting population is under-educated and has an active disdain for scientific consensus.
The republican president told his top general to deal with BLM Protesters and "just shoot them". I don't know how you are supposed to hold a conversation with someone who still supports him.
That’s the same side that is arming themselves to kill their opposition (literally, not figuratively). I don’t want to have a conversation with someone who sees me as a target of opportunity in some blood sport.
Like all groups, once a marginalized group comes to power, it seeks to force its ideology on the rest, even if it came to power under the banner of preventing just that.
> [they] argue that modern GOP positions [...] are far outside of the mainstream and polite conversation [and that] human rights, and not just policy differences, are at stake.
Probably a highly jaded opinion, but the way I perceived this is that left leaning is seen to signify higher social empathy -- which is something that people on that end would value from peers.
Where as on the flip side, right leaning people likely don't have the same conservative requirements for a partner.
So i'm not really surprised at all by the results.
Would you __________ someone who voted for the opposing presidential candidate?
Where the blank is "go on a date with", "be friends with", "work for", "shop at or support the business of"...
Important to point out that stated preferences are not actual preferences. There's a pretty good change a lot of them who say they wouldn't be friends with a Republican actually would be friends with a Republican if they found themselves in that situation.
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It is one of the many political topics that has a strong polarizing effect, which in turn results in hate and anger.
They may not have been a believable threat. But trying to strong-arm more votes out of various places, refusal to concede, throwing around unfounded allegations of mass cheating, constantly, and then the mountain of lawsuits and talking heads... it's beyond the pale.
If they don't see that threat, when would they? Because from here it looks far more like they don't care so long as it's their guy. And that's scary.
The democrats? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0
that's not a gaffe. If you assert it's a gaffe, you must now explain a ton more.
>And then the other side is judged for being taken aback by that? Are we supposed to pretend like nothing is happening?
Someone could blame the media but that's beside the point. The USA is more divided today that I have ever seen it. According to articles ive read, the divide is larger today than it has been since the civil war. Thusly probable that another civil war is coming but oh boy is this one ever going to be one sided.
The US democrats exist to divert any worker resistance into channels they can then sabotage. In many ways they're more right wing than the US Republicans, especially when it comes to foreign policy.
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I do not need to happily drink a beer with Merkel to know she was an efficient chancellor who all things considered did a lot of good (and some bad) to my country, nor do I need to find Scholz unlikeable to believe his coalition will be a net negative for our general well-being. What people around me care about is whether their government is capable of solving what the voters think are pressing matters, not necessarily if politicians are likeable.
Sometimes, it is all about trade-offs, even if the less bad choice comes with a crook.
I blame the horrifyingly bad educational system for that; it's hard to have any functional democracy when most of your voting population is under-educated and has an active disdain for scientific consensus.
Human nature, it repeats itself all the time.
Where as on the flip side, right leaning people likely don't have the same conservative requirements for a partner.
So i'm not really surprised at all by the results.
Important to point out that stated preferences are not actual preferences. There's a pretty good change a lot of them who say they wouldn't be friends with a Republican actually would be friends with a Republican if they found themselves in that situation.