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robobro · 5 years ago
I would argue that my degrees in philosophy were granted to me while I was learning to think and judge well at university.

It's funny that the paper author goes only into multitasking / concentration after wondering why people struggle to think critically. Sure, distracted thinking is generally not good thinking, but slowing down in and of itself won't improve your judgment skills. It's kind of a bummer that after the author says "there's a problem with critical thinking!" -- he moves on and doesn't talk about ways to actually develop critical thinking besides, you know, this 4 minute essay that just says "slow down the decision making process." I would have hoped he would have talked about different ways to analyze or prioritize problems, or discussed game theory or maybe gone into wicked problems[1].

Oh well

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem

vntx · 5 years ago
Ironic isn’t it? The author complains about people not thinking enough but his articles don’t seem well thought out either. It’s full of reductionism and oversimplications.

Slowing down, concentrating, and having lots of time are definitely helpful for thinking but he implies that it is sufficient for thinking and that everyone has that luxury.

What about people operating under duress like in wars or pandemics? Can epidemiologists slow down while a pandemic spreads exponentially? Can soldiers slow down while they’re being shot at?

I’m pretty sure those people would like to have the space to make better decisions but more often then not, they don’t. Those are very wicked problems.

wanttobethatkid · 5 years ago
> Can soldiers slow down while they’re being shot at?

What's there to think, either shoot back or run. OTOH planning war strategy is thinking.

> Can epidemiologists slow down while a pandemic spreads exponentially?

They have to if they have to invent the medicine. I think you are confused b/w hardwork and thinking.

kaladin_1 · 5 years ago
You would have included eating to your list. You sure are taking it out of context. He didnt imply you think before you do everything.

Even as Engineers we know that some of the problems we come up against in the course of a project could have been foreseen and tackled if only we spent some time to deeply understand the project.

kaladin_1 · 5 years ago
All those essays and fancy problem solving techniques and hacks are good. But they were also invented by people that sat down to think.

I don't know for you but I know that when I slow down and tell myself to relax, start poking at the problem from different angles things go well. I dont know how it happens. The brian reaches a point you even continue solving the problem while sleeping. There might be hacks for that but with the right intention and time it mostly happens for me.

polskibus · 5 years ago
In other words, would you agree that people that make right decision fastest are the smartest? What I mean is that making a good decision while taking a lot of time is much easier than making the right decision without spending much time.

In real life we often have to make suboptimal decisions merely because we cannot spend much time on each one.

bryanrasmussen · 5 years ago
>would you agree that people that make right decision fastest are the smartest?

they are the smartest in that decision space, probably due to training in it and have made a lot of similar decisions in the past.

lanstin · 5 years ago
Only in very simple solution spaces. In general the solution spaces are pretty big and taking a while to mull it over is worth while. Especially for novel problems. If the problem is similar to something you thought about previously or have already encountered them of course it can be responded to. Even the smartest chess grandmaster will play better with more time. And for hiring, I always prefer people that have a great answer in a day or so than an ok answer immediately which they are happy about.
wombatmobile · 5 years ago
> I used to have students who bragged to me about how fast they wrote their papers. I would tell them that the great German novelist Thomas Mann said that a writer is someone for whom writing is more difficult than it is for other people. The best writers write much more slowly than everyone else, and the better they are, the slower they write.

Dear Son,

I am writing this slow, 'cause I know you can't read fast. There are a few things happening here at home. We don't live where we did when you left -- you're father read in the paper that most car accidents happen within twenty miles of home, so we moved. I won't be able to send you the address because we moved into your cousins old house and they took the numbers with them so they wouldn't have to change their address. The new place has a washing machine! It's in a small room that also has a shower in it. The first day, I put four shirts in. I pressed the lever and I haven't seen them since. The weather is nice here. It rained twice this week. Three days the first time and four days the second time. Remember that coat you wanted me to send you? Well, your aunt said that it would be too heavy to send in the mail, so we cut the buttons off and put them in the pocket. Monday we got a bill from the funeral home. It said if we don't make the last payment on Grandma's funeral ... up she comes ... Your father has a lovely new job. He has over 500 men under him. He's cutting grass at the cemetery. Your brother's wife had a baby this morning. We don't know whether it's a boy or a girl, so we don't know if you are an aunt or an uncle. Your uncle fell in the whiskey vat and drowned. We cremated him. He burned for 3 days. Last week 3 of your friends went off the bridge in a pickup truck. One was driving and the other two were riding in the back. The driver rolled down the window and swam to safety. The other two drowned. They couldn't get the tailgate down. Not much else. Write more often. Love, Mom

P.S. -- We would have sent money, but the envelope was already sealed.

philipswood · 5 years ago
I've noticed that people I meet that I think of as intelligent usually had an adult that talked with them intelligently when they were younger.

I think thinking is seen, then emulated, and this emulation needs a bit of coaching.

Yes, once you start reading some of this can happen without someone else available, but ultimately thinking is learned by exposure to good examples of it and iterated practice.

erikerikson · 5 years ago
My adoptive parents are a counterexample to this. That or I'm not intelligent but tests and life outcomes would seem to indicate otherwise.

I would definitely agree that an intelligent conversant can positively impact the outcome and as such apply the stimulus to my own child. A lack of this was one of my childhood and early adult life's frustrations.

m463 · 5 years ago
Parenting/mentoring has lots of hard or painful parts, like setting boundaries/limits.

But a really EASY and effective thing is to just to set a good example.

(it can also make kids mindful if you tell them to set a good example for other kids)

Growing up much if not most of my learning was just from observing.

syl_sau · 5 years ago
I've come to the same conclusions as you.

To me this is one of the main social benefits of platforms like YouTube: you have unlimited access to the greatest "critical thinkers" there are. In times when transmission of knowledge is being heavily challenged ("disrupted") by the constantly changing technological landscape, it is great that you can sit down and enjoy hours of in-depth courses and lectures on all imaginable topics.

Part of it I guess is that the amount of "sensitive connection" is greater than when reading a book -- something about seeing the person establishes a deeper connection.

If I was provocative I'd say there are many online father figures for disoriented people (though it's obviously not all positive, e.g. "PUAs").

Isamu · 5 years ago
This is about concentration, focus, and it is absolutely a skill and not really taught.

Beyond that, introspection is not really taught either. That is, so I have been thinking about this thing a lot, am I being honest with myself about what is grounded in reality and what isn’t? Am I being honest with myself about my overriding preference for my gut feeling vs. what can be verified in the real world with some more effort?

sturza · 5 years ago
I used to really appreciate fs. After a few years i, personally, think it’s clickbait and i am not the target audience anymore.
throw14082020 · 5 years ago
I agree too. I have the same feeling about Scott Young's newsletters. They both seem talk a lot but don't provide the same level of value they used. Then again, this article is from 2015.

> The best way to improve your ability to think is to actually spend time thinking.

> Good decision makers understand a simple truth: you can’t make good decisions without good thinking and good thinking requires time.

One I still subscribe to is James Clear, I really like his 3-2-1 newsletters every thursday.

One from a few weeks ago:

> "Fear of failure is higher when you're not working on the problem.

> If you are taking action, you are less worried about failure because you realize you can influence the outcome."

bogdanoff_2 · 5 years ago
> "Fear of failure is higher when you're not working on the problem.

> If you are taking action, you are less worried about failure because you realize you can influence the outcome."

I wish I could internalize that. For some reasons I feel as if it was the opposite.

ampersandy · 5 years ago
This fear of failure by others is why so many people have a hard time delegating. Sometimes things will fail, and that’s ok (with a few exceptions, of course).
redisman · 5 years ago
It’s self-help. Usually the half life of those is a few articles and then you kind of know that they’ll just repeat that until people stop paying attention to them
yawnxyz · 5 years ago
same... this article doesn't actually seem to cover its own topic. One has to wonder if the article itself was written slowly, or rushed to production to garner more clicks?

I would have loved to learn about how to synthesize and filter what you read, and at what point your amount of stuff to read reaches saturation. I always hear "I read all the books I could find!" but that's an impossible statement for almost any field — I just want to know if there's an agreed upon state where one can feel that one has read everything available to start thinking for oneself and forming original thoughts.

alexpetralia · 5 years ago
I had the exact same impression. It has become so watered down and superficial.
ciconia · 5 years ago
There's a lot to be said for slowing down, taking time off from the churn to just think. Reading the comments in here, this does not jive with the HN crowd.

Funnily, I have found slowing down, taking time off from the computer screen, thinking while gardening or doing the dishes or whatever, then putting down ideas on paper, makes me a better programmer, and lets me achieve much better technical solutions than if I were to spend my whole day inside of an IDE. YMMV I guess...

mottosso · 5 years ago
> Good decisions create time, bad ones consume it.

My key takeaway from this article, well put.

ClosedPistachio · 5 years ago
>Thinking is one of those things that can be learned but can’t be taught.

Then the article (poorly) tries to teach you techniques how to think better. Pass.