Anyway, the article made a point how they're "combating deforestation," but is that really true? I always thought that clearing land for farming and cattle was the main cause of deforestation by far, followed by construction and furniture, and that the paper industry tended to plant tree farms since they don't really require old-growth hardwoods, which is why I always opposed recycling paper. Was I wrong in my belief?
Additionally, it feels to me like this is more of a cynical attempt to capitalize on the eco-hippy market rather than any actual concern for the environment. All the people I've talked with who are concerned with environment and waste seem to be moving to bidets to minimize toilet paper use, and intuitively this makes sense to me, though I admit that I haven't done any research on the topic.
At least in the US they grow fast growing trees that are only good for paper pulp[1] —they’re not good for furniture or construction frames (plywood is okay), for example, so “stopping deforestation” is a red herring.
Also some of them are transporting the paper all across the ocean; it’s not a grievous negative, but it’s not a positive.
"It feels to me like this is more of a cynical attempt to capitalize on the eco-hippy market rather than any actual concern for the environment"
Is there a functional difference? The company will die or thrive based on the size of the 'eco-hippy' market (well lots of things, but lets keep it simple), motivation isn't really going to change that. I suppose yes from the customer perspective they are buying warm fuzzy save the polar bear feelings, but then the cynical company will tell them what they want to hear anyway.
A bidet for me would involve replacing plaster and floorboards, the payback time would be massive.
You don't have to replace the full toilet. There are plenty of options that fit on an existing toilet. You can get simple ones that are just spray all the way up to seat replacements with deodorizers and warm water (they require an outlet). It's easier than replacing your floor and not horribly expensive. Your butt and the environment will thank you.
My wife started buying Who Gives A Crap for our household a few months a go and we love it. We went the "mid-tier" quality (although we experimented with the the lower - 1ply tier at first wasn't that bad either). We also get the huge pack with 10 or 20 boxes of tissues included.
> Most mainstream toilet roll brands source their wood pulp from boreal forests in Canada, which are very old and take between 20 to 50 years to regenerate.
it's this kind of crap (pardon the pun) that makes us feel good about using recycled TP.
also, i have to give a shoutout to whoever Who Gives A Crap's copywriters are; the stuff they put on the undersides of the tissue boxes and TP rolls is genuinely hilarious. I worked along side great copywriters years ago, and I can just picture those kind of people sitting around brainstorming funny stuff to adorn the wrapping with.
I would like to know how they test for the crumble factor. Who is assigned to count the number of bits of paper in the butt left after wiping and how much do they get paid.
The best quality of life upgrade you can make is eat less starch and enjoy non-sticky poop, fixing the root cause of the problem instead of its symptoms.
I went from dry TP only growing up to learning to love the bidet in japan. Now I use a combo of wet/dry TP to get as clean as I can. I also don't spend much time (or any time in public) between pooping and a shower.
We have three young kids, and I've gotten a lot of funny looks over the past couple years when I tell people that if one of them pooped in their diaper, we washed their nether regions with soap and water.
It absolutely baffles me that the same people who freak out about the possibility of there being germs on their kid's pacifier will wipe up poop with a wet wipe and send the kid on their way.
Even as an adult, I don't get how people think of toilet paper as having any "cleaning" power. It just seems wildly unsanitary if you bother to think about it, which is why I suppose most people choose not to.
I think TP alone does a fine enough job but you need to go the extra step to wet it after your initial wipes. I'm lucky enough to have long arms and a sink well within reach from the toilet. I think I'd be easier to can people off just using dry paper than expecting them to lather up with soap every time.
People laugh when I say this, but one of the main reasons I want to buy my own house is to to install a bidet in all the toilets. As someone who’s been using toilet paper only for about three years, I find it absolutely disgusting.
You can get one of the cheaper $20-60 washlets on Amazon (I like Luxe Bidet), they tap into the toilet’s water line and can be installed in under 20 minutes. And when it’s time for you to move out, they’re just as easy to remove and your landlord will never know how squeaky clean your butt is!
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Anyway, the article made a point how they're "combating deforestation," but is that really true? I always thought that clearing land for farming and cattle was the main cause of deforestation by far, followed by construction and furniture, and that the paper industry tended to plant tree farms since they don't really require old-growth hardwoods, which is why I always opposed recycling paper. Was I wrong in my belief?
Additionally, it feels to me like this is more of a cynical attempt to capitalize on the eco-hippy market rather than any actual concern for the environment. All the people I've talked with who are concerned with environment and waste seem to be moving to bidets to minimize toilet paper use, and intuitively this makes sense to me, though I admit that I haven't done any research on the topic.
Also some of them are transporting the paper all across the ocean; it’s not a grievous negative, but it’s not a positive.
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Is there a functional difference? The company will die or thrive based on the size of the 'eco-hippy' market (well lots of things, but lets keep it simple), motivation isn't really going to change that. I suppose yes from the customer perspective they are buying warm fuzzy save the polar bear feelings, but then the cynical company will tell them what they want to hear anyway.
A bidet for me would involve replacing plaster and floorboards, the payback time would be massive.
> Most mainstream toilet roll brands source their wood pulp from boreal forests in Canada, which are very old and take between 20 to 50 years to regenerate.
it's this kind of crap (pardon the pun) that makes us feel good about using recycled TP.
also, i have to give a shoutout to whoever Who Gives A Crap's copywriters are; the stuff they put on the undersides of the tissue boxes and TP rolls is genuinely hilarious. I worked along side great copywriters years ago, and I can just picture those kind of people sitting around brainstorming funny stuff to adorn the wrapping with.
edit: it's made from bamboo, not recycled.
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This is an oxymoron; an old tree between 20-50 years? Young lumber trees are a least twice as old as this.
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Environmentally friendly (you can optionally use tissue to dry) and cleans better.
Wiping yourself seems primitive in comparison.
It absolutely baffles me that the same people who freak out about the possibility of there being germs on their kid's pacifier will wipe up poop with a wet wipe and send the kid on their way.
Even as an adult, I don't get how people think of toilet paper as having any "cleaning" power. It just seems wildly unsanitary if you bother to think about it, which is why I suppose most people choose not to.
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Also available at Amazon etc.