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GFischer · 7 years ago
Not the first time Huawei fakes something, they were cheating on benchmarks:

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Huawei-Ascend-P7-found-to-be...

https://www.anandtech.com/show/8403/examining-huaweis-benchm...

Samsung and others also did it:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-and...

I own the Ascend P7, and my GF is also a Huawei user, and they're good devices. But they feel the need to cheat.

LoSboccacc · 7 years ago
Looks like xiaomi is adding some pressure on the low end market, where people are a little more feature conscious.

The p20 lite was brilliant my mother owns one and for what it cost it’s a great little device, but the tech content pales compared to the last xiaomi round

gumby · 7 years ago
I think the low end pressure is applying to xiaomi as well, from Oppo, Ding-Ding, etc...it's really hard to keep up with the cheap phone providers these days!
arif_sohaib · 7 years ago
I think that the over clocking cheat is a bit different if they are honest about and say the phone, when overclocked, are actually capable of this. The DSLR image is not possible in any case.
rapind · 7 years ago
Unless the goal of cheating the benchmark was to target user's who overclock their phones (honestly, who does this?, like %0.0001?), then I would still call it dishonest.

Shouldn't benchmarks reflect what your delivering to consumers?

Honest related question. Do car manufacturers do this with their car's speed tests? I know you can squeeze another 50+ HP out of a VW Golf for example with a chip and a higher octane fuel, but AFAICT the specs you see on their site and at the dealer don't show this extra HP. (I realize VW is a bad example of a company that doesn't cheat their books!).

soziawa · 7 years ago
I thought they also cheated on the RF emission test.

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rangibaby · 7 years ago
This reminded me of one of my favorite neologisms, used to describe faked screenshots that make video games look better than they are: bullshots
fulyscentedking · 7 years ago
Photos aside, can you trust Huawei in the first place in general?
lancewiggs · 7 years ago
Would you trust Google more or less than Huawei?
gruturo · 7 years ago
While I'd be absolutely certain they both spy on me (for various degrees of "spying"), I trust Google to better safeguard the data it collects about me.

Huawei is more likely to do a poor job of keeping said data to itself, either intentionally (selling it outright) or by getting hacked.

I'm convinced Google wouldn't sell my data - it is immensely more valuable to them if they're the only ones with it. That said, they'd still use it - to target and profile me, and of course I expect them both to share it with the respective governments.

Moreover, if I use Google services through a Huawei phone, they both end up with my data, while if I use a google device at least it's just Google. I'm not enthusiastic about either, but, hey, lesser of two evils.

(For the record I have an iPhone and try to avoid giving Google too much data about me)

islanderfun · 7 years ago
Google 100% more. But the question was trust Huawei.

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pmarreck · 7 years ago
This shouldn't shock anyone given Chinese cultural attitudes towards honesty:

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/article/1879850/chinese-most-...

toomanybeersies · 7 years ago
Someone made the same comment to me the other day.

I said "Either it's the Americans or the Chinese spying on my, either way I'm fucked". I feel like it's safe to assume that most consumer hardware is backdoored/cracked by one intelligence agency or another.

rapind · 7 years ago
Do we have proof that's the case with Apple though? Not a fanboy, but I casually remember reading that they weren't willing to sacrifice their security and capitulate to the gov on this point.
Markoff · 7 years ago
will after installing Lineage it's relatively safe, but you are too late to party after bootloader unlock page gone, now it's up to finding friendly customer service representative or giving try to DC unlocker which sometimes work even on phones they officially don't support
foobar1962 · 7 years ago
Why aren't the actors/models refusing to participate in such deceptive practices? Surely they'd be thinking "Why are we pretending to take a selfie?"
sergers · 7 years ago
Cause they are paid actors/models.

There job is to put on a show and do their part, not think about the grander things like deception.

Most claim they just show up for the part.

finnthehuman · 7 years ago
>Surely they'd be thinking "Why are we pretending to take a selfie?"

Why? Their job is making you believe something fake. It's right there in the name of the job: "actor."

ken · 7 years ago
There's a million reasons. "Pretend to take a selfie so we can check the lighting." "Let's try a few different poses so the director has some options to choose from for the layout." "Let me take one with my other camera for a wardrobe reference."

Have you never made up a dummy report in HTML just so the designer could check the colors and layout? Do you refuse to work on any prototype that doesn't use live data?

carlmr · 7 years ago
They're probably happy they can put food on the table. Actors for ads are not really at the top of the food pyramid.
NullPrefix · 7 years ago
While the Nigerian prince is? It's all just a scam.
starpilot · 7 years ago
Cuz it's not like they're claiming to cure cancer. It's just an ad. Most people don't care.
skrebbel · 7 years ago
I once saw a Microsoft Cloud poster in a train station that did claim they were curing cancer. I'd rather be the Huawei model than the designer of that poster.
toomanybeersies · 7 years ago
How many software developers work on adware?

People gotta eat somehow.

Angostura · 7 years ago
What makes you think they even know the product that they are posing for?
rexpop · 7 years ago
Because they are some of the lowest paid workers in the project. Why should they risk their precarious jobs when higher-paid, and more secure workers are also aware of the deception?

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ggambetta · 7 years ago
This is an outrage! Next you're going to tell me that the pictures of happy creatives and handsome businesspersons in every service or product website are not actual users who are just so damn happy that they can't stop smiling, but actors/models or even (gasp) stock photos!
wepple · 7 years ago
Given that Apple set the standard by posting photos that are explicitly labeled as being shot on iPhone, it think it’s totally fine to expect an image with selfie-arm extending into the frame to have actually been shot on the device.
21 · 7 years ago
Obviously you haven't read the article:

> Photos from Apple's "Shot on iPhone" ads are indeed taken with iPhones, albeit with additional equipment like special lenses attached to the phone, and they've been touched up with professional photo editing software.

Yep, just a standard iPhone here as any regular user would have: https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2017/06/shotoniphonefea...

_Codemonkeyism · 7 years ago
At least on billboards here in Berlin with a small print that the pictures are (heavily) post processed - 10cm size on a 10m high print.
skate22 · 7 years ago
My favorite is when someone in an ad says "I'm not an actor"
usaphp · 7 years ago
> Everything was fine until people took a closer look at the behind-the-scenes photos (which have since been deleted) from the ad shoot posted by Elshamy to her Instagram account.

I doubt it's an accident. It's probably just a PR stunt by huawei, otherwise not many people would even talk about this phone. Unless whoever is runnigng that actress's instagram account is incredibly stupid to not notice that clearly controversial photo: [https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2018/08/bts0.jpg]

gnode · 7 years ago
Or alternatively the controversy increases Elshamy's profile. Given that the account is either controlled by her, or her agent, I'd say that's the more likely explanation.
Markoff · 7 years ago
to be fair it should be mentioned Nokia did this in 2012 as well, it's not like Huawei doing it alone

https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/5/3294545/nokias-pureview-ad...

gst · 7 years ago
For their N97 promo video Nokia faked the whole UI of the phone: https://youtu.be/vJpEuMidcSU
mehrdadn · 7 years ago
Does anyone know of recent instances of such false advertisements in the US? Or are there severe enough punishments to deter them?
linarism · 7 years ago
The last time I remember something like this happening was from 2012[1].

[1] https://www.cnet.com/news/nokia-forced-to-apologise-for-fake...

dahauns · 7 years ago
I might sound jaded, but: isn't this happening constantly anyway? Usually with just a small bit of "fig-leaf" credibility (like the aforementioned "shot on iPhone" pieces, but especially supertiny illegible disclaimers) - but the effect is the same.

I mean, watch this ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDjGnWO_fG4

Can you spot the "screen image simulated" lines? Would you even have noticed it, had you not been looking for it?