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zug_zug commented on Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a deadly pesticide   mlive.com/news/2025/12/th... · Posted by u/bikenaga
JumpCrisscross · 13 hours ago
> assessments of safety of a chemical aren't hard science

These are still data. I'm curious for the contexts that lead other countries to actively ban the substance.

If it simply hasn't been approved in other countries, one can't use that information to infer about its safety.

zug_zug · 13 hours ago
Because of its high toxicity, the European Union withdrew paraquat from its market in July 2007 [1]

So it's clearly poisonous to humans in high doses, I guess the argument is that perhaps the smaller doses exposed to farmers may not lead to sufficient ingestion to cause harm. The parkinsons seems like pretty clear evidence against that.

> If it simply hasn't been approved in other countries, one can't use that information to infer about its safety.

I don't know why you're trying to defend this with counterfactuals/hypotheticals instead of just googling. Feels like you're bending over backward here.

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3657034/

zug_zug commented on Roomba maker goes bankrupt, Chinese owner emerges   news.bloomberglaw.com/ban... · Posted by u/nreece
lenerdenator · 13 hours ago
Well, were they handed a valid warrant asking for that footage?
zug_zug · 13 hours ago
Maybe there's a 3rd option... like encrypt the footage in a way that it can't be accessed en-masse without passwords?

Like imagine if the US government gave a warrant to apple and said "Give us all iphone pictures from this area on this date"... they'd presumably say "We won't because we designed it so that we can't."

zug_zug commented on Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a deadly pesticide   mlive.com/news/2025/12/th... · Posted by u/bikenaga
JumpCrisscross · 14 hours ago
"Critics point to research linking paraquat exposure to Parkinson’s, while the manufacturer pushes back, saying none of it is peer-reviewed."

What lead it to being "banned in dozens of countries all over the world, including the United Kingdom and China"?

zug_zug · 14 hours ago
So assessments of safety of a chemical aren't hard science. They are statistical judgment calls (often based on things like giving a much, much higher dose to a rodent and looking for short-term effects).

And the reason that is is because there's no affordable, moral way to give 100,000 farmers [nor consumers] a small dose of a product for 20 years before declaring it safe. So the system guesses, and it guesses wrong, often erring against the side of caution in the US (it's actually quite shocking how many pesticides later get revoked after approval).

Europe takes a more "precautionary principle" approach. In those cases of ambiguity (which is most things approved and not), they err to the side of caution.

Notice how this claim here is again shifting the burden to the victims (their research doesn't meet standard X, allegedly). Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

zug_zug commented on Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a deadly pesticide   mlive.com/news/2025/12/th... · Posted by u/bikenaga
zug_zug · 14 hours ago
Reminds me of "cancer alley" [1].

As somebody who's looked in to this a bit, the deeper I dug the more I ultimately moved toward the conclusion (reluctantly) that indeed big corporations are the baddies. I have an instinct to steel-math both sides, but not every issue has two compelling sides to it...

One example of them clearly being the baddies is them paying people to social media astroturf to defend the roundup pesticide online [2].

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_Alley

2. https://galiherlaw.com/media-manipulation-comes-out-during-m...

zug_zug commented on Amazon pulls AI-powered Fallout recap after getting key story details wrong   ign.com/articles/everyone... · Posted by u/jsheard
iAMkenough · 3 days ago
Do you own the rights to the show? If not, you're creating and profiting from an unauthorized copy of copyrighted material.

Language translation is editorial work, and you may make editorial decisions the rights owner disagrees with, misrepresenting their product without permission.

zug_zug · 3 days ago
I dunno seems like a nothingburger to me. There are plenty of real things to worry about these days... somebody dubbing something so I can watch it isn't an issue for me. Presumably the viewers could just turn off the dubbing if they wanted?
zug_zug commented on Amazon pulls AI-powered Fallout recap after getting key story details wrong   ign.com/articles/everyone... · Posted by u/jsheard
jsheard · 3 days ago
This follows Amazon pulling several AI generated anime dubs after backlash, and possibly also because they neglected to clear AI dubbing with the actual rightsholders before going ahead with it.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2025-12-03/amazon-stre...

zug_zug · 3 days ago
I don't get it -- software performs at human levels for translation. Do you (and should you) need permissions to do a translation of a show for the audience?
zug_zug commented on Waymo cars ignored stopped school buses in Atlanta. What happens now?   ajc.com/news/2025/12/waym... · Posted by u/themaninthedark
m-s-y · 3 days ago
A high school classmate of mine (many many years ago) was unexpectedly and brazenly pulled out of a school-wide assembly by local police one morning.

It was the talk of the school. Rumors spread like wildfire. Consensus was that whatever she did, it must have been terrible.

She had driven past a stopped school bus.

If this reaction is acceptable when a person does it, a $1 fine for a company is a slap in the face to law-abiding citizens.

zug_zug · 3 days ago
I mean my immediate reaction is it's probably not reasonable what happened to your classmate. One wrong doesn't justify another...
zug_zug commented on Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?   eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12... · Posted by u/hn_acker
jraby3 · 4 days ago
Can you send a link or explain how this can be done?

As a not super tech savvy parent I find it impossible to keep my son off screens. He always finds a workaround. So I'm a fan of age verification especially after reading The Anxious Generation, despite all the hate it gets from hacker news.

zug_zug · 3 days ago
Actually it's not super easy to explain to the layman, since it uses cryptography. But if you'd like to learn more ChatGPT is very knowledgeable.

But it sounds like your wish is to keep your kid off screens in general, which I don't think age verification would accomplish.

zug_zug commented on Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?   eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12... · Posted by u/hn_acker
swid · 4 days ago
Not really. There are ways to prove ownership of one of several hundred million tokens. If you give out this many tokens, the odds that some will be stolen or sold must be fairly close to 1.
zug_zug · 3 days ago
Chat GPT would be happy to explain "Rate-limited anonymous credentials" to you. Just because you can't think of something doesn't mean brilliant mathematicians can't.
zug_zug commented on America's betting craze has spread to its news networks   newyorker.com/news/the-le... · Posted by u/FinnLobsien
hypeatei · 3 days ago
What regulation would you propose? I'm personally against most regulation as well but more transparency (e.g. showing house favored odds) and advertising restrictions don't seem that harmful.

I think regulating too hard here would result in black markets and gamblers becoming more vulnerable to bad actors.

zug_zug · 3 days ago
Not OP, but how about not being allowed to lose more than 1% of your net worth (or salary?) gambling in a year? (The gambling platforms would be required to monitor your losses)

u/zug_zug

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