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zbshqoa commented on Italy's privacy regulator goes after DeepSeek   politico.eu/article/italy... · Posted by u/thm
immibis · 7 months ago
You seem to be listing a bunch of things that are illegal in Europe. Yes, that was my point. Do you want to suffer from all these things that are legal in the USA and not in Europe?
zbshqoa · 7 months ago
They do regularly in Europe as well, just don't act like it's something that doesn't happen
zbshqoa commented on Italy's privacy regulator goes after DeepSeek   politico.eu/article/italy... · Posted by u/thm
immibis · 7 months ago
If you're arguing that Europe killed Uber by making it follow common-sense regulations, you could just ask well argue that the USA killed Bolt by not.

Europeans simply do not see why they should try to "innovate" the American way: creating products that no one actually needs, and trying to get people to buy them anyway, often by killing the alternatives, which often results in more work, lower wages and higher prices for everyone. Europeans (other than AfD voters) would rather have a good enough society that stays good enough and doesn't decay.

zbshqoa · 7 months ago
It's not common sense regulation. It's anticompetitive regulations. You're happy to ride a taxi that often times takes a longer route to steal you a few extra euro? Are you happy that a taxi driver earn 500-600-700 euro a day when the avg salary in some EU countries is 1.5k a month? Are you happy that they don't take credit card payments and accept (often time) only cash? Are you happy that they evade taxes? Are you happy to go inside a car and don't know how long and how much your ride is going to cost? Are you happy that often times in touristic cities they refuse to use the meter?

You seem to know well what Europeans want but I bet you never got scammed by a taxi driver. Europeans like everybody want to simply pay less by having an open market that allows the best players to offer services without artificially inflating the price because that specific category some privilege.

If you claiming that Europe is not decaying probably you're living in the wrong Europe.

Europe is decaying faster than you think.

zbshqoa commented on OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor   ft.com/content/a0dfedd1-5... · Posted by u/timsuchanek
troyvit · 7 months ago
> NLP, Sentiment Analysis, Translation etc

As somebody who got to work adjacent to some of these things for a long time, I've been wondering about this. Are LLMs and transformers actually better than these "old" models or is it more of an 80/20 thing where for a lot less work (on developers' behalf) LLMs can get 80% of the efficacy of these old models?

I ask because I worked for a company that had a related content engine back in 2008. It was a simple vector database with some bells and whistles. It didn't need a ton of compute, and GPUs certainly weren't what they are today, but it was pretty fast and worked pretty well too. Now it seems like you can get the same thing with a simple query but it takes a lot more coal to make it go. Is it better?

zbshqoa · 7 months ago
It's 80/20, but in some tasks it's much better (e.g. translation)

Nonetheless the fact that you can just change a bit the prompt to instruct the model to do what you want makes everything much faster.

Yes the trade-off is that you need GPUs to make it run, but that's why we have cloud

zbshqoa commented on Italy's privacy regulator goes after DeepSeek   politico.eu/article/italy... · Posted by u/thm
immibis · 7 months ago
The main food deliverers (Uber Eats clones) here are Dutch and Swedish. The place you can find someone's apartment to stay in temporarily is German. The Fediverse was invented here, in Germany. Ride-sharing companies are Estonian, German, and some others I don't remember.

There are no companies that rise meteorically, capture billions of users and then collapse if they can't monetize. There are just companies that quietly provide products and services users want. If that's considered a failure to you, then... okay? Signal is American, but Telegram is Russian. And you can just, you know, send a text message, without involving any third party (but both your phone companies can see it).

Oh and the b2b companies... like ASML and SWIFT.

zbshqoa · 7 months ago
You conveniently left our everything else I mention and those companies aren't really leading. Bolt for example has an edge because everywhere in Europe they're been killing Uber or limiting it hardly, and in some countries it's still the case.

In most cases those companies are knockoffs of American companies and you've yet to mention cases were Europe is actually leading the way (aside from some unique cases it doesn't happen regularly)

P.s. Russia is not part of Europe, you can safely leave it out (and yes they've plenty of competitors to american companies telegram, Yandex, VK etc. we can't say the same for Europe)

zbshqoa commented on Italy's privacy regulator goes after DeepSeek   politico.eu/article/italy... · Posted by u/thm
frabert · 7 months ago
I'll try and spin it a different way -- What if the US and China had been unfairly taking advantage of their lax rules to bring innovation to the damage of their (and other countries') citizens, much like China has been unfairly exploiting its own lower standards of living and personal freedom to gain advantage in terms of manufacturing power against the US and Europe?
zbshqoa · 7 months ago
Ya cool, does this change the result? No.

Europe has no competitors to the US/Chinese tech giants and their citizens want to use technology like anybody else without a layer of bureaucracy preventing them from doing basic stuff.

I don't think European citizens have been forced to use Uber, Airbnb, Apple, Android, Facebook , WhatsApp and so on.

zbshqoa commented on Why DeepSeek had to be open source   getlago.com/blog/deepseek... · Posted by u/AnhTho_FR
zbshqoa · 7 months ago
That shouldn't be the premise of a company that has "open" in its name as well?
zbshqoa commented on Italy's privacy regulator goes after DeepSeek   politico.eu/article/italy... · Posted by u/thm
immibis · 7 months ago
US websites have been quite successful in fearmongering about it - either "oh no, the EU forced us to put this mess of annoying popups on our page" or "oh no, the EU forced us to block our own website from it"
zbshqoa · 7 months ago
While I'm not necessarily against GDPR and regulations, is undeniable that the regulatory landscape in Europe has been preventing innovation.

In fact it's tech market is predominantly dominated by US tech companies (and probably soon Chinese ones as well)

zbshqoa commented on OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor   ft.com/content/a0dfedd1-5... · Posted by u/timsuchanek
mritchie712 · 7 months ago
openai should pay creators, but:

1. scraping the internet and making AI out of it

2. using the AI from #1 to create another AI

are not the same thing.

zbshqoa · 7 months ago
Number 2 is already possible with open models. You can do distillation using Llama, which could likely be doing #1 to build their models (I'm not sure it's the case though)
zbshqoa commented on OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor   ft.com/content/a0dfedd1-5... · Posted by u/timsuchanek
jasoneckert · 7 months ago
What I find the most comical about this is that the whole situation could be loosely summarized as "OpenAI is losing its job to AI."
zbshqoa · 7 months ago
Realistically that's the actual headline. Only another AI can replace AI, pretty much like LLMs / Transformers have replaced "old" AI models in certain task (NLP, Sentiment Analysis, Translation etc) and research is in progress for other tasks as well performed by traditional models (personalization, forecasting, anomaly detection etc).

If there's a better AI, old AI will lose the job first.

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