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yclurker commented on Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20) supabase.io/blog/2021/03/... · Posted by u/kiwicopple

harporoeder · 5 years ago

I am a little confused by your description. I do not use Supabase but the source appears to be available on github and is actively updated. Are you claiming that because they do not provide clear documentation on how to self host they are not open source? Perhaps a good Samaritan could read through the repository and write some basic documentation which is enabled by virtue of being open source.

yclurker · 5 years ago

The problem is not with providing documentation.

They are not providing the missing source codes to put together a self hostable solution. Essentially they are not open source. Otherwise writing documentation is trivial by one of the community members.

yclurker commented on Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20) supabase.io/blog/2021/03/... · Posted by u/kiwicopple

avolcano · 5 years ago

I think this is a bit disingenuous to post. Your own website[1] says:

> Supabase is an amalgamation of 5 open source tools (and growing). We don't have a simple way to install everything on a single server, but we will work on this as soon as we have a stable set of features.

Now, it's fair to say "we don't have a simple way" is different from "we don't have a way at all," but you clearly discourage users from trying to self-host right now for any reason beyond developing Supabase itself (which appears to be the use of the Docker Compose setup you have linked).

Personally: I'd love for Supabase to have a clear guide for self-hosting, including system requirements for single-box hosting, advice (even without code or tooling!) for scaling your setup, etc. Until then, it's just another hosted service with vendor lock-in, no different from Firebase to me.

[1] https://supabase.io/docs/faq#how-do-i-host-supabase

yclurker · 5 years ago

>> It's just another hosted service with vendor lock-in, no different from Firebase to me

Couldn't agree more. They are real shady every time self hosting comes up.

See here ==> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637360

yclurker commented on Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20) supabase.io/blog/2021/03/... · Posted by u/kiwicopple

yclurker · 5 years ago

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why.

We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is open source. If it were, community themselves would have built it. But Founders have been “milking” the words “Open Source” and ignoring the community altogether.

Here is the full story : Few weeks ago, I checked supabase self hosting documentation again ==> they were callous enough to even mention how to move away from Supabase and had no instructions to self host! Completely put off by this unethical means of taking community and words open source for granted, I prompted them about it. And their response has been to remove “How to Self host” section altogether from the website, documentation and Github. And then provided a fully watered down version of docker-compose which “is barely functional or useful” to community as it has no dashboard within it.

Whenever self hostable questions comes up, Supabase Founders cover up by providing vague answers like ==> “We are building with existing & proven OSS tools. We stitch them all together seamlessly”. When decrypted, that translates to ==> “We use open source to build our software (hey nothing special here : bazillion companies do that). There will never be a usable self-hostable solution in near future”. F** you Supabase.

Every single open source company that I can think of can be self-hosted. World class open source companies go to great lengths to ensure its always self hostable even by compiling source.

Supabase founders : You should be so ashamed of yourself for setting such low standards on what could be termed as open source.

yclurker commented on Can you make a basic web app without Googling? I can’t web.eecs.utk.edu/~azh/blo... · Posted by u/azhenley

yclurker · 5 years ago

When underlying things change rapidly, what to search becomes memory.

yclurker commented on Launch HN: Airbyte (YC W20) – Open-Source ELT (Fivetran/Stitch Alternative) · Posted by u/mtricot

kiwicopple · 5 years ago

In the link you shared I mention how to get the docker-compose file by running `supabase eject`

I probably can't satisfy you, but I'll make our intentions very clear to everyone else reading this:

https://github.com/supabase/supabase/commit/913add2e3ca45e55...

Sorry for the lack of documentation - we will add more docs and make everything easier to use before a "Launch week" that we have planned on the last week of March.

yclurker · 5 years ago

From your commit in README.md

>> You can emulate Supabase using `docker-compose` by following these steps inside the `./docker` folder.

What does even emulating mean for an open source product ? Why do I want to emulate and not run the real thing.

>> I probably can't satisfy you

Dude, if you can show me one another product which claims to be "open source" that can't be self hosted I will admit it.

yclurker commented on Launch HN: Axle Health (YC W21) – In-Home Healthcare as a Service · Posted by u/chailey11

yclurker · 5 years ago

Much needed indeed. I can imagine quite a demand for this.

But how do you plan to tackle supply in meaningful way ? A practitioner sitting at a clinic can draw lot of samples vs the one travelling to homes.

yclurker commented on Launch HN: Airbyte (YC W20) – Open-Source ELT (Fivetran/Stitch Alternative) · Posted by u/mtricot

kiwicopple · 5 years ago

hey yclurker, Supabase founder here.

I'm sorry we haven't delivered a better self-hosting experience. This is clearly something we could do better. As I mentioned in your link[1], we're targeting a release of our CLI in Q1 (last week of march).

> its a been long time since their launch

It has been 8 months since our alpha launch*, and just over 1 month since our beta. I hope that sets some context, because personally I think we (and the community) have delivered a lot in that time. I'm very proud of what our small team has been able deliver.

> The product is not self hostable

Note that Supabase is self-hostable, it's just lacking documentation, which we will rectify in Q1.

[*alpha]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23319901\*

yclurker · 5 years ago

@kiwicopple : I'm really sorry to say this, I understand you try your best to sound reasonable every time. It's just that you alone believe that we can't see past your replies. But it is pretty evident that you wont make Supabase self hostable. Dude, even proprietary closed products provide docker / docker-compose by default in their repos. Quite honestly, shame on Supabase for setting such a shady example.

yclurker commented on Launch HN: Airbyte (YC W20) – Open-Source ELT (Fivetran/Stitch Alternative) · Posted by u/mtricot

mtricot · 5 years ago

Sorry that it doesn't work :( Murphy law on launch day I would say...

Right now all our users self-host and the whole project is meant to be self-hosted for data privacy and security reasons.

Do you want to join our slack (https://slack.airbyte.io)? We can help you on the resolution!

yclurker · 5 years ago

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  File "site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 677, in urlopen
  File "site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 392, in _make_request
  File "http/client.py", line 1252, in request
  File "http/client.py", line 1298, in _send_request
  File "http/client.py", line 1247, in endheaders
  File "http/client.py", line 1026, in _send_output
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  File "site-packages/docker/transport/unixconn.py", line 43, in connect

yclurker commented on Launch HN: Airbyte (YC W20) – Open-Source ELT (Fivetran/Stitch Alternative) · Posted by u/mtricot

yclurker · 5 years ago

The Open Source Fivetran alternative. Yay, it was about time! A simple license : MIT. Clear differentiation between free & paid plans. I am liking what I am seeing so far. One of our client is in advertising industry and is syncing data from 20 different API vendors to postgres. So I am one of your potential customer.

However, there is a big problem I'm noticing with "Open source alternatives" lately on HN. I had to mention this.

Even a simple installation of airbyte on my local machine fails :( I tried docker-compose up!

I simply wanna know why a basic example is not working on an important day of your company ? :) Is this a genuine mistake ? Sorry, this feedback will sound harsh but companies are taking words 'open source' for a complete ride. It's a great marketing trick. Gets you plenty of eyeballs, good will & trust to begin with. Then later we figure it's not even self hostable.

Here is a bad example that you may not want to follow : Supabase "The Open Source Firebase Alternative". The product is not self hostable despite calling themselves open source firebase all over internet. The Founders of Supabase have been disingenuous not to address self hosting[1][2] and its a been long time since their launch. The self hosting section on their website[3] doesn't provide any details on how to self host and they are careless enough to even mention "how to migrate away" from Supabase in that section.

[1] : https://github.com/supabase/supabase/discussions/219#discuss... [2] : https://github.com/supabase/supabase/issues/85#issuecomment-... [3] : https://supabase.io/docs/guides/platform#self-hosting