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whatnow37373 commented on AGI is not multimodal   thegradient.pub/agi-is-no... · Posted by u/danielmorozoff
bufferoverflow · 3 months ago
AGI must be multimodal. If it can't understand images, video, sound, smells, tastes, it doesn't have a full understanding of the world.
whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
I think AGI implies it: I can learn something through audio and apply it visually and the other wat around. I don’t think that’s some abstract human quirk. Isn’t that what enabled literacy? It seems kind of obvious intelligence is beneath the modality, agnostic about it.
whatnow37373 commented on LLMs are mirrors of operator skill   ghuntley.com/mirrors/... · Posted by u/ghuntley
ninetyninenine · 3 months ago
My hope is that the AI never improves to take over my job and the next generation of programmers is so used to learning programming with AI that they become mirrors of hallucinating AI. That eliminates ageism and AI taking my job.

Realistically though I think AI will come to a point where it can take over my job. But if not, this is my hope.

whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
Maybe we can learn some lessons from digital artists who naturally fret over the use of their skills and how they will be replaced by stable diffusion and friends.

In one way, yes, this massively shifts power into the hands of the less skilled. On the other hand if you’d need some proper and I mean proper marketing materials, who are you going to hire? A professional artist using AI or some dipshit with AI?

There will be slop of course but after a while everyone has slop and the only differentiating factor will be quality or at least some gate-kept arbitrary level of complexity. Like how rich people want fancy hand made stuff.

Edit: my point is mainly that the level will rise to a point that you’d need to be scientist to create a - then - fancy app again. You see this with web. It was easy, we made it ridiculous and I mean ridiculously complicated where you need to study computer science to debug React rendering for your marketing pamphlet.

whatnow37373 commented on My AI skeptic friends are all nuts   fly.io/blog/youre-all-nut... · Posted by u/tabletcorry
lukan · 3 months ago
So you say, you are a great autodidact. Good for you.

Well, I guess I am, too, but I still see great value in asking specific questions to competent persons.

Or don't you think asking teachers/instructors questions is helpful?

whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
I can’t remember ever asking a question and getting a helpful answer to be completely honest..

I feel weird when I read about people needing support. Maybe there is something wrong with me.

whatnow37373 commented on My AI skeptic friends are all nuts   fly.io/blog/youre-all-nut... · Posted by u/tabletcorry
epiccoleman · 3 months ago
Couldn't agree more. The first time I used Claude Code was for something very much like this. We had a PDF rendering issue with Unicode characters in one of our libraries. We ultimately needed to implement a sort of bespoke font fallback system.

With the help of the agent, I was able to iterate through several potential approaches and find the gaps and limitations within the space of an afternoon. By the time we got to the end of that process the LLM wrote up a nice doc of notes on the experiments, and *I* knew what I wanted to do next. Knowing that, I was able to give a more detailed and specific prompt to Claude which then scaffolded out a solution. I spent probably another day tweaking, testing, and cleaning up.

Overall I think it's completely fair to say that Claude saved me a week of dev time on this particular task. The amount of reading and learning and iterating I'd have had to do to get the same result would have just taken 3-4 days of work. (not to mention the number of hours I might have wasted when I got stuck and scrolled HN for an hour or whatever).

So it still needed my discernment and guidance - but there's no question that I moved through the process much quicker than I would have unassisted.

That's worth the $8 in API credit ten times over and no amount of parroting the "stochastic parrot" phrase (see what I did there?) would change my mind.

whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
Yes, that’s true and very cool but you’re an expert. Where do the next generation you’s come from? The ones that did not do weeks of dead-end research which built resilience, skill and the experience to tell Claude now saves them time? You cannot skip that admittedly tedious part of life for free.

I think pro-AI people sometimes forget/ignore the second order effects on society. I worry about that.

whatnow37373 commented on If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued   betterthanrandom.substack... · Posted by u/weltview
latency-guy2 · 3 months ago
> That’s strange, because capitalism is the one that thinks infinity is real.

Your rhetoric doesn't pass. You contradict yourself in a single turn. Can't cite "scarcity" and "infinity" powers this fictional economic system you thought of as "capitalism".

whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
You miss the point. It’s not I don’t believe in scarcity or the second law of thermodynamics, it’s that I critique capitalism’s handing of it that is by its very nature exploitative, short-sighted and unsustainable. It needs various and extensive guardrails to be functional at all otherwise it would have destroyed us already.

It’s the classic “capitalism is built on scarcity but behaves as if infinite growth is possible”-critique. There are interesting responses to that but “it’s contradictory” ain’t one of them.

whatnow37373 commented on If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued   betterthanrandom.substack... · Posted by u/weltview
latency-guy2 · 3 months ago
Didn't know other economic systems beat the fundamental nature of physics and reality where infinite isn't simply a concept. Are you sure you're considering a "charade" in the right direction?
whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
That’s strange, because capitalism is the one that thinks infinity is real. Also it’s trying to break nature, quite literally given the state of our climate.

There are other ways to cooperate that don’t depend on sociopathy and infighting.

whatnow37373 commented on If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued   betterthanrandom.substack... · Posted by u/weltview
meepmorp · 3 months ago
> I wonder how long we are going to keep up that particular charade

about as long as the real world continues to have finite resources and people have differing ideas about what to do with them

whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
Capitalism is just one solution to that problem and I’m not convinced it’s the best one.
whatnow37373 commented on If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued   betterthanrandom.substack... · Posted by u/weltview
mindwok · 3 months ago
I'd say value, in the way the author defines it, is more a function of scarcity. If you are someone who can get stuff done but you are easily replaced, you are useful - not valuable. If you can get things done that nobody else can, or will, then you are valued.
whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
In capitalism everything is a function of scarcity. I wonder how long we are going to keep up that particular charade.
whatnow37373 commented on If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued   betterthanrandom.substack... · Posted by u/weltview
chii · 3 months ago
water is useful. Diamond is valued.

So be the diamond, not the water. Unless there's no water around anymore...

whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
So, basically, be super rare? And hard to work with?
whatnow37373 commented on If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued   betterthanrandom.substack... · Posted by u/weltview
whatnow37373 · 3 months ago
If you earn some dough and are treated somewhat nice you have already hit the jackpot.

Don’t give up a perfectly good job just because you have power fantasy issues. You will always be a worker bee, that’s just how the world is set up. Someone or something will own your ass regardless of your compensation structure.

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