That’s fair. So you’re pretty confident most these very annoying Linux hardware issues go away with Linux first hardware? Suggest a couple brands for me to look into please to replace the thinkpad?
System76 is my go to
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> If anyone has any recommendations for how to pick hardware that will "just work" with Linux I'd love to hear them.
Some vendors sell hardware with Linux preinstalled or specifically tested (besides the obvious ones like System76/Framework/Tuxedo, Dell provides an XPS flavor that comes with Ubuntu). You don't need to actually use the preinstalled distro, but buying such models ensures baseline support is solid and it sends a signal to vendors to continue ensuring so.
Then there's Apple's M1/M2 lineup, which provides the smoothest Linux experience you can have today (specific hardware features are not supported yet, the rest works extremely well!).
Other than that, the Arch wiki is typically a good resource that lists quirks of individual devices with Linux.
At this point, I'm skeptical of any laptop that wasn't specifically designed for Linux.
I have very real doubts that any laptop can support both Linux and Windows well.
> specific hardware features are not supported yet, the rest works extremely well
I would not describe this as "working well," let alone the "smoothest Linux experience you can have today"
Especially compared to System76, which designs their laptops for Linux, customized the firmware for Linux, and ships with Linux already installed.
I just need to get a dozen kernel engineers in a room with a laptop and a dude who does nothing but open and close the lid every 2s. Test passes when the laptop still is responsive by lunchtime.
I just want people to buy from Linux vendors who put in the work rather than yolo'ing it and then complaining about how bad Linux is.
Where are you getting that from? I see no mention of dongles or firmware in the comment I replied to.
Oh. I thought you were replying to a sibling comment, sorry.
Sibling:
> there is a nuanced situation with some Realtek (RTL8671B) bluetooth firmware on Linux that is 'solved' by downgrading firmware version
Because usually everyone that throws stones forgets about their own roofs.
I bet all those cool SV people "we're better than Microsoft" aren't using Libre Office on a GNU/Linux system.
Maybe it is time for some donations?
This happens so much in the opposite direction.
Folks seem to not understand that Microsoft is an ad company.
Problems with sleep/suspend modes is a relatively common in Linux. There's some good information with tricks and workarounds on
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_an... w
> Problems with sleep/suspend modes is a relatively common in Linux.
It is if you slap Linux on your Windows computer and expect it to work. Dell etc have teams whose entire job is ensuring Windows works well on their hardware. These are systems integration teams.
If you try to put Linux on a Windows box, you've signed up to do all the system integration work yourself, without any help or support (eg documentation) from anyone.
The best Linux experience will happen on hardware that was designed to run Linux, with a system integration team to make the hardware/firmware and Os work together, with a support line you can call or write.
> Outside DualSense controller having issues connecting to bluetooth
FWIW I use a DualSense controller connected to my Linux computers all the time without issue and without having to do anything special. In fact, Sony is the author of the DualSense driver on Linux[0]. Do you connect anything else over bluetooth? I'm wondering if your bluetooth setup might just be broken in general rather than specifically for DualSense controllers.
Their point was that the dongle's proprietary firmware was buggy. The controllers just triggered the problem.
> we've truly reached the milestone where a dedicated person can run Linux as their main desktop system.
You're 20 years too late for this.
The reason why Linux doesn't run well on the latest greatest hardware (and never has) is because the vendors of that hardware range from indifferent to actively hostile to Linux, and to make the system work people have to fight. Buy a legacy thinkpad, or something you've researched, and you'll have fewer problems than with Windows or Macs (which are tied to even more specific hardware and obsoleted by company whim.)
Of course, if you're on the bleeding edge of technology, everyone is using Linux (whether directly or in VMs and containers), so when I say the latest greatest, I mean the latest greatest consumer and business user stuff.
I've never understood comments like this. It's like you're looking at a pool full of people who have been swimming for years and telling you the pool is nice, and saying: "I guess it's finally ready for the real experts now."
Also, if you love vendors so much, you can have one. Buy your Linux computer from somebody who sells Linux computers, knows any problems you'll run into on that specially-selected hardware, and call them when you have a problem, just like you would do for the others.
> Of course technically speaking I shouldn't complain because I have provided nothing of value to the Linux ecosystem
This is the worst point by far. You can complain about anything that is broken, you just can't expect anyone to care (because you haven't obligated anyone to.) The problem isn't complaining, it's complaining badly. Get a vendor, whine to them.
> the vendors of that hardware range from indifferent to actively hostile to Linux
Not all. System76, Framework, and others come to mind.
But yes, for the most part, hardware is designed for Windows and only works on Linux despite the vendor, rather than due to them.