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tooltalk commented on China DRAM Maker CXMT Targets $4.2B IPO as It Takes on Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron   ic-pcb.com/chinas-leading... · Posted by u/walterbell
lysace · a month ago
My bet is on illegal price fixing, for the nth time.
tooltalk · a month ago
I don't think illegal price fixing is the only thing to worry about if China comes to dominate the business.

better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

tooltalk commented on China DRAM Maker CXMT Targets $4.2B IPO as It Takes on Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron   ic-pcb.com/chinas-leading... · Posted by u/walterbell
amluto · a month ago
I wish them luck.

The other major DRAM makers use ASML machines, and I’m curious how competitive CXMT will manage to be without them.

tooltalk · a month ago
China was the largest buyer of ASML systems last quarter, or about 45+%. DRAMs don't need EUV (yet?)
tooltalk commented on China DRAM Maker CXMT Targets $4.2B IPO as It Takes on Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron   ic-pcb.com/chinas-leading... · Posted by u/walterbell
peter_d_sherman · a month ago
I asked Perplexity.ai to list all of the DRAM manufacturing companies that it could. What follows is that list:

Samsung Electronics – https://www.samsung.com

SK hynix – https://www.skhynix.com

Micron Technology – https://www.micron.com

ChangXin Memory Technologies (CXMT) – https://www.cxmt.com

Nanya Technology – https://www.nanya.com

Winbond Electronics – https://www.winbond.com

Powerchip Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp. (PSMC) – https://www.psmc.com.tw

Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit (JHICC) – http://www.jhicc.com

GigaDevice – https://www.gigadevice.com

Etron Technology – https://www.etron.com

Integrated Silicon Solution Inc. (ISSI) – https://www.issi.com

Elite Semiconductor Memory Technology (ESMT) – https://www.esmt.com.tw

Zentel Electronics – https://www.zentel.com.tw

Alliance Memory – https://www.alliancememory.com

AP Memory Technology – https://www.apmemory.com

AMIC Technology – https://www.amictechnology.com

Hua Hong Semiconductor – https://www.huahong.com

(Note that I have not researched each of these companies individually... There may be errors in the above list (some may be DRAM resellers, some may be defunct, etc., etc.))

tooltalk · a month ago
The first three dominate 95+% of the market.
tooltalk commented on China DRAM Maker CXMT Targets $4.2B IPO as It Takes on Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron   ic-pcb.com/chinas-leading... · Posted by u/walterbell
throw3836364 · a month ago
Reminds me of when those European monks smuggled silkworms out of China.
tooltalk · a month ago
too bad that there is nothing to steal from modern China.
tooltalk commented on China DRAM Maker CXMT Targets $4.2B IPO as It Takes on Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron   ic-pcb.com/chinas-leading... · Posted by u/walterbell
throwaway85825 · a month ago
CXMT is Chinese backed whereas Korea is Samsung backed.
tooltalk · a month ago
I see what you did there. LOL

Samsung closed the last Chinese smartphone factory in 2019 and moved South to Vietnam. In 2020, Samsung's Vietnam production accounted for about 25+% of the country's GDP and export.

tooltalk commented on China DRAM Maker CXMT Targets $4.2B IPO as It Takes on Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron   ic-pcb.com/chinas-leading... · Posted by u/walterbell
coliveira · a month ago
Samsung is 100% backed by the state as well.
tooltalk · a month ago
This was mostly in the 80's during the cold war.

IMO, and it's not even really clear how Samsung's DRAM business really benefited from the state backing. The South Korea gov't first major initiative "Semiconductor Industry Promotion Plan" started only after Samsung'd developed their first 64K DRAM in 1983. It really helped other local industry competitors such as LG and Hyundai catch up, but Samsung was already on a roll -- by the early 90's, the company became the first to develop 256Mb DRAM. Not clear whether they really needed hand-holding from the gov't.

tooltalk commented on Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes   reuters.com/world/america... · Posted by u/jumpocelot
gorbachev · a month ago
Xi Jinping is probably sending thank you cards to Trump right about now.
tooltalk · a month ago
why? Xi already made his intention with Taiwan clear many years ago. Besides, Xi, while pretending to be neutral, has become the major backer of Putin's war effort. It's not like Trump is doing anything special.
tooltalk commented on Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes   reuters.com/world/america... · Posted by u/jumpocelot
guax · a month ago
A lot of Venezuelans are happy about it.

Maduro is not good for Venezuela.

The US should not be the decider of who stays in power on another country.

The president should not have the power to apprehend a countries president IN THEIR COUNTRY without a process thats more than just "I really want it".

The US is giving another clear message that it does not care about global order, just global control. We're back in the 70s.

There is ZERO concern of the current US administration about the welfare of Venezuelans, its a power play, if maduro played by the US rules, he would be in power regardless of crimes. Pinochet, The Brazilian regime are all here as testament to that.

I hope the power change turns out better for the Venezuelans. I hope this is a catalyst of change for a better government. Ideally one that does not sell itself to the US for legitimacy. I don't think that is the likely outcome.

tooltalk · a month ago
>> There is ZERO concern of the current US administration about the welfare of Venezuelans,

I don't think this was a humanitarian mission. I'm speculating from Trump's perspective, Maduro was a major de-stabilizing factor. The Western world also seems to tacitly agree that the man had to go -- I don't think Maria Machado's recent Nobel Peace Prize was coincidence.

tooltalk commented on BYD Sells 4.6M Vehicles in 2025, Meets Revised Sales Goal   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/toomuchtodo
softwaredoug · a month ago
Japanese competition has absolutely improved US car manufacturers.

They have leaner assembly lines. More sophisticated supply chain. They now make a product that it turns out people want (reliable/economy)

One big one to consumers is the focus on long term reliability. This was a complete joke in the 1980s-1990s for US cars. Everyone knew Toyota and Honda would last 300k miles and an American car would crap out at 80k miles. We are in a completely new world of more consistent reliability with cars. Even if Ford is 90% Toyota - that’s a much better place to be.

Everyone wanted trade barriers in the 80s and 90s but without the pain of competition our cars would feel like the modern equivalent of a bad Eastern European shitbox - only optimized for power and not economy.

tooltalk · a month ago
>> They now make a product that it turns out people want (reliable/economy)

Sure, Ford has always made cars that their customers want, F-150 for instance, the best selling vehicle in the US for an unbroken streak of nearly 50 years, during which it continued to improve and maintain its popularity. The Chicken law has done wonders for the American automakers.

>> ... the focus on long term reliability.

Sure, I don't question the Japanese automakers' reliability, but, in the cheap, small vehicle segments they compete with the Japanese import, the American automakers are now more or less wiped out. Most small, affordable vehicles from GM and Ford are now made in either Mexico or South Korea. So where is their "competitiveness" that otherwise wouldn't exist without the Japanese imports? In other word, the Japanese imports clearly did not prevent the "loss of competitiveness in the future."

>> Rent seeking is industry suicide.

If it's as bad as you say it is, why turn a blind to China's rent seeking past 15 years and promote their industry, which again benefited tremendously from forced JV, forced tech transfer, restrictive market access/licensing, local content/sourcing/production, high-tariffs, shadow-banning foreign competitors, arbitrary regulatory/safety barriers, etc?

I think we can glean a lot of lesson from the Chicken Tax past 60+ years and China's rent-seeking policies in the EV business past 15 years. We know what works and what doesn't -- and BYD is not it.

u/tooltalk

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