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token92375 commented on Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo   blog.ycombinator.com/ask-... · Posted by u/cbcowans
xigency · 9 years ago
On pages 3 and 4 he claims that these differences exist (emphasis added):

- On average, men and women biologically differ in many ways. ...the distribution of PREFERENCES and ABILITIES of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership.

- Women, on average, have more: Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men

- These two differences in part explain why women relatively prefer jobs in social or artistic areas. More men may like coding because it requires systemizing and even within SWEs, comparatively more women work on front end, which deals with both people and aesthetics.

- Women, on average, have more: Neuroticism (higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance).

- This may contribute to the higher levels of anxiety women report on Googlegeist and to the lower number of women in high stress jobs.

And later proposes these solutions:

- We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration.

- Make tech and leadership less stressful.

So he has 1) cited biological differences between men and women in their abilities (not simply preferences) and 2) claimed that these lead to suitability for different jobs and also indicated the specific jobs would need to be changed in order to be more suitable for women, which strongly implies differing performance levels.

token92375 · 9 years ago
note that "differ in the distribution of abilities" does not mean the average is different, it can also mean the outliers are more extreme, and as I understand it research supports just that.
token92375 commented on Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo   blog.ycombinator.com/ask-... · Posted by u/cbcowans
dguaraglia · 9 years ago
Maybe the takeaway is: you shouldn't write "memos" that generate a lot of noise and lost productivity in your work environment and affect your company's external image. If you have political points you want to make, go find a group of like-minded individuals and discuss with them first.
token92375 · 9 years ago
Brendan Eich was voluntarily stepped down for doing something outside of work.
token92375 commented on Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo   blog.ycombinator.com/ask-... · Posted by u/cbcowans
token92375 · 9 years ago
> By remaining silent on this topic or tweeting support for Damore, they are sending a message that philosophical arguments and principles take precedence over the lived experiences of many smart, talented female engineers and technical founders.

In my world view philosophical principles generally take precedence over lived experiences of others. Lived experiences are not universal, cannot be relayed exactly (memories are often colored and retellings may be selective to make a particular point). If we want our ethical systems to apply to everyone, to be inclusive, we need principles that work for everyone, not just correctives for individual cases.

A lot of TFA appears to put emotion, form, "lack of consideration" and presentation over facts. I am abstractly aware that those things have quite an impact on people. But it is quite alien to me, in text form the factual content of argument is more important because text can be easily misinterpreted and it is not a dialogue where the writer can clarify and correct any misunderstandings.

That said, the response is still far more measured than the immediate news and social media response.

> Social skills are part of a professional skillset. It is important to learn how to handle difficult subjects in a workplace – we all have to do it. There are consequences for doing it in a way that causes problems for your employer

He was not the one who leaked it. It was those people who were so offended that they thought the world had to see it instead of engaging in a discussion with him. If the issue is "causing problems for the employer" then aren't those others also guilty?

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