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throwme2024 commented on U.S. border surveillance towers have always been broken   eff.org/deeplinks/2024/10... · Posted by u/gslin
refulgentis · 10 months ago
In the NBC article, "crucial tool" is a non-technical phrase by the article writer, it is not the memo. [1]

The EFF article's expressed intent is first, that there's a history that goes beyond the NBC report. Then, that the history shows reports written by various governmental & non-governmental entities that the tools are not effective.

I'm genuinely curious why that felt schizophrenic. ex. to me, even if "crucial tool" was in a government memo, I'm not sure why the EFF would be schizophrenic for disputing that.

[1] "Nearly one-third of the cameras in the Border Patrol’s primary surveillance system along the southern U.S. border are not working, according to an internal agency memo sent in early October, depriving border agents of a crucial tool in combating illegal migrant crossings."

throwme2024 · 10 months ago
> I'm not sure why the EFF would be schizophrenic for disputing that.

They don't dispute that. That's what's so weird. The argument boils down to "historic border surveillance tools have been pork-barrel debacles, therefore all border surveillance tools are bad," but the article doesn't even manage to draw a line from the past, cancelled programs to the current program.

throwme2024 commented on U.S. border surveillance towers have always been broken   eff.org/deeplinks/2024/10... · Posted by u/gslin
throwme2024 · 10 months ago
This seems in line with the EFF's principles - they've always been strongly against the use of electronics for surveillance. I agree with you that this article left me with a weird taste, though - in this case, I think that the thesis is flimsy and the research is poorly done, so it comes off as grinding an axe rather than taking a stand.
throwme2024 commented on U.S. border surveillance towers have always been broken   eff.org/deeplinks/2024/10... · Posted by u/gslin
throwme2024 · 10 months ago
This article complains a lot about previous-generation, cancelled projects, but doesn't really investigate what's going on with the current surveillance towers or investigate anything at all, really. The linked NBC article explains that the FAA (WTF... yes, the airplane FAA) administer some surveillance towers, and that border patrol agents are mad that there's a big ticket backlog of broken ones to fix. That's pretty much it.

Nobody investigated enough to figure out things like:

* Why the FAA administer the towers and what the actual hold-up is towards getting a fix? Certainly at least the backstory should be public information.

* Why the towers are broken. This is probably sensitive information but I'm sure some of the disgruntled border patrol agents would be willing to have a chat about it.

* Is it a specific generation of tower that's broken? Is it some kind of backend issue, or just rot from deploying electronics into a hostile desert environment full of people trying to destroy them?

* How do the new "AI" towers work? They're probably just drawing boxes around people and items, no?

This is a disappointing and silly article, in my opinion. It doesn't convince me at all that border surveillance overall is a bad idea or a waste of money, just that some old programs turned into pork-barrel debacles. There's no fresh information or anything that would convince me either way on this issue.

u/throwme2024

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