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throwaway150 commented on One diet soda a day increases type 2 diabetes risk by 38%   newatlas.com/diet-nutriti... · Posted by u/imartin2k
stolencode · a month ago
> Not everyone is a soda connoisseur like you

You need not be a connoisseur to notice that they're not _exactly_ the same.

> This thread is not about the differences in the taste between the real cola and diet cola.

Yea, my message, it's a quote from the musical "Rent." Was this whimsy worth your rudeness?

throwaway150 · 24 days ago
Sorry. That reference went totally over my head. My apologies!
throwaway150 commented on Attention is your scarcest resource (2020)   benkuhn.net/attention/... · Posted by u/jxmorris12
exe34 · a month ago
It's age. I'm alone and I have the same problem.
throwaway150 · a month ago
Just so that the discussion does not become overly biased in one direction, I'd like to share that I'm over 40 and still feel highly motivated to pursue intellectual interests, and take on hobby projects. The hours I can put in is definitely far less than I could when I was single and young but the motivation is still there and I still manage to complete a few hobby projects (software ones and otherwise) each year.
throwaway150 commented on One diet soda a day increases type 2 diabetes risk by 38%   newatlas.com/diet-nutriti... · Posted by u/imartin2k
stolencode · a month ago
> because to me it tastes exactly the same

Mimi: "If you close your eyes."

throwaway150 · a month ago
Not everyone is a soda connoisseur like you. I get it, some people refuse to drink anything but the original cola. But not everyone is like that. Some of us have a reduced ability to distinguish differences in taste, myself included. To me, the diet and regular versions taste exactly the same, whether my eyes are open or shut.

This thread is not about the differences in the taste between the real cola and diet cola. Many many healthy people with no health problems have the diet version!

throwaway150 commented on One diet soda a day increases type 2 diabetes risk by 38%   newatlas.com/diet-nutriti... · Posted by u/imartin2k
michalu · a month ago
Typical bogus study. This shows exactly what's the problem with most of these studies.

So if you look at the participants in the study, it's 40,000 people between 40 to 60.

The only thing we know about them is some of them drink some artificially sweetened drinks. We don't know anything else about their diet or their lifestyle age 20-40.

So first, people who don't have a problem with sugar or their health, they don't drink artificially sweetened drinks.

People who are 40 years old and they drink diet soda, a great deal of them, not all, do it because they already have a problem.

Nobody drinks artificially sweetened soda unless they have a problem because it just tastes bad. A healthy person would just pick soda sweetened by sugar.

And health councious people don't even drink soda because they've never built an addiction to that type of drink in first place - mind that this study is not in the US.

So the fact that this group is more likely to end up with diabetes, there might be a million factors that lead to that result.

Maybe because drinking diet soda already makes a chunk of them preselected to be more likely to develop some kind of metabolic disease.

Again, I don't generalize this study returns some kibd of arithmetic average. You only need 10% of participants to be off limits and you get very different result vs. general population. Because if you look at diabetes 2 rates, out of 40k people maybe 4k max gets it (edit. 1.7k in the study) that's a sample that can show wild variation.

Edit. people seem to have problem with the verbiage. "Nobody drinks artific..." ok that's a way to make a point what I wanted to say "you're more likely to pick diet soda if you already habe a problem" especially for 40-60 demographic who probably includes 100% of people ordered to drink diet soda by their doctor. Also yes people drink soda outside the US. But not people 40-60 where a chunk of them comes from generation that weren't subject to heavy advertising by american sugar soda companies. This is Europe New Zeland and just do a wuick search on the demographics of diet soda consumers in the Europe - it's 25-44 age group.

throwaway150 · a month ago
> So first, people who don't have a problem with sugar or their health, they don't drink artificially sweetened drinks.

What a bogus claim! Plenty of people drink artificially sweetened drinks because they don't want to enjoy a soda but not add calories to their daily consumption! Which world do you live in? Have you even been to cinema lately? I bet every other person orders a diet soda before entering the theatre. I know because I see it happen all the time all around me!

throwaway150 commented on Wttr: Console-oriented weather forecast service   github.com/chubin/wttr.in... · Posted by u/saikatsg
kevin_thibedeau · a month ago
Control codes are documented in a standard for use in terminals. So not all standards are valued?
throwaway150 · a month ago
That control codes are documented in a standard is orthogonal to the HTTP standard.

A terminal program should follow the terminal standard by all means. But a web service advertising one Content-Type but delivering another Content-Type is a violation of the web standards.

throwaway150 commented on Earth Has Tilted 31.5 Inches. That Shouldn't Happen   popularmechanics.com/scie... · Posted by u/dataflow
x______________ · a month ago
Clickbait title.

Link to the original study:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GL10...

  Drift of Earth's Pole Confirms Groundwater Depletion as a Significant Contributor to Global Sea Level Rise 1993–2010

throwaway150 · a month ago
> https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GL10...

Any chance the original link can be replaced with this? This is definitely way more informative than the clickbait article.

throwaway150 commented on Wttr: Console-oriented weather forecast service   github.com/chubin/wttr.in... · Posted by u/saikatsg
rollcat · a month ago
> How exactly do you propose that wttr.in, which is not actually a process running on your machine (but a remote server), call isatty() on your machine?

That's exactly my point. You can't do that.

    $ curl --head -s wttr.in/London | grep Content-Type
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
This is not plaintext, this is ANSII garbage. If you're outputting HTML, you set the content type to text/html, so the client can interpret it. But the lack of an associated content type is not the problem, it's the blind assumptions about the capabilities of the client.

throwaway150 · a month ago
Thanks for clarifying. You're right! The output isn't actually text/plain. As someone who values standards, it is annoying to see control-code garbage when the content type claims to be text/plain. But wttr.in seems more like a fun novelty than a serious service and I suspect they don't pay much attention to standards. Still, I'm not sure that excuses saying one thing in the headers and delivering something else in the body.

But you've got a fair point. So thanks!

throwaway150 commented on Wttr: Console-oriented weather forecast service   github.com/chubin/wttr.in... · Posted by u/saikatsg
yoavm · a month ago
I'm pretty sure the idea is to use an LLM to parse the natural language into a query, not for guessing the weather.
throwaway150 · a month ago
I didn't assume either that the LLM is to guess the weather. I said that using LLM for parsing the Met Office's data is maybe not such a good idea if you can do it deterministically.
throwaway150 commented on Wttr: Console-oriented weather forecast service   github.com/chubin/wttr.in... · Posted by u/saikatsg
rollcat · a month ago

    curl wttr.in/London > london.txt
    open -a TextEdit london.txt
Witness the control code garbage.

IMHO you should not emit ANSII escape sequences until you at least call isatty, preferably also consult termcap. But also IMHO we should bury the terminals, and build better REPLs and lightweight GUI toolkits.

throwaway150 · a month ago
> IMHO you should not emit ANSII escape sequences until you at least call isatty, preferably also consult termcap.

How exactly do you propose that wttr.in, which is not actually a process running on your machine (but a remote server), call isatty() on your machine?

Or are you suggesting that curl should check isatty() and strip out the control codes? But that would be overstepping curl's responsibilities, wouldn't it? Its job is to faithfully output the response, garbage or not.

throwaway150 commented on Wttr: Console-oriented weather forecast service   github.com/chubin/wttr.in... · Posted by u/saikatsg
ivolimmen · a month ago
I do not think I would need an LLM for making something like that
throwaway150 · a month ago
Yes, absolutely. I certainly don't need an LLM to do something like that.

When I ask for the weather, I want to know exactly what the Met Office says the weather is. Not what an LLM guesses the Met Office might have said, with a non-zero chance of introducing a hallucination.

This habit of inserting LLMs into otherwise deterministic tasks is frustrating. Why take something that can be solved accurately and deterministically (like parsing the Met Office's data) and make it probabilistic, error-prone, and unpredictable with an LLM?

LLMs are appropriate for problems we cannot solve deterministically and accurately. They are not appropriate for problems we can already solve deterministically and accurately.

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