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tguvot commented on Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project bbc.com/news/articles/cvg... · Posted by u/mhga

nujabe · 3 days ago

Let’s circle back, your claim is that Gaza was on the verge of humanitarian crisis, not because of Israel’s 25+ year siege, blockade and regular bombing campaigns, but because the PA stopped paying out salaries to Hamas?

This is absurd and you know it.

tguvot · 2 days ago

shifting goal posts?

As i wrote, it was international media and un that claimed this. And there was international pressure on Israel

tguvot commented on Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project bbc.com/news/articles/cvg... · Posted by u/mhga

nujabe · 3 days ago

You folks being disingenuous as usual. Israel did not facilitate the payments to Hamas because of some humanitarian concern for Gazans(lol), they did it specifically for the purpose of undermining the PA so Netanyahu could point to Hamas and say “see we have no partner for peace” which is exactly what he’s done. [1]

He is directly quoted by many sources saying “ anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas” which wholly contradicts your claims. [2]

It’s amazing to see how flat Israeli hasbara falls these days, it doesn’t hit like it used to, most people are now well informed to be gaslighted with lies.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

[2] https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-h...

tguvot · 3 days ago

i won't deny that it was comfortable for bibi politically at later point of time. there was also hope that it will make hamas to behave more responsibly as they run "country" and to moderate.

but the fact remains that money transfers started because there was international pressure on Israel to do so in order to prevent "humanitarian catastrophe".

feel free to search contemporary news. it important to know history beyond recent flashy headlines.

tguvot commented on Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project bbc.com/news/articles/cvg... · Posted by u/mhga

jfengel · 3 days ago

What does Netanyahu's version of a two-state solution look like?

I had imagined it as something like creating a country ("Palestine") in the West Bank, along the 1967 borders. But if so, what happens to the settlements that are (as TFA points out) still ongoing?

Is there supposed to be a different border? Exclaves of Israel? Or are those settlers supposed to become part of Palestine?

tguvot · 3 days ago

same as was negotiated in all rounds, including clinton parameters. big settlement blocks go to israel, in land swaps (iirc like 3% or 5% of west bank). remote settlements are evacuated. PA demilitarized (as uk, france, canada, australia, etc say should be). school should stop teaching hate (unrwa teaching that one day they will come and will liberate entire israel since 50s. take a look at this the atlantic article from 1961 https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1961/10/208-4/132... )

bibi in fact froze settlement construction once for 6 months (such freeze as precondition to negotiation never happened before. it was mess that obama created. construction inside limits of existing settlements) in order to get palestinians to negotiations table. they refused to negotiate and came to table only in last week, made no progress and left when construction was unfrozen.

this is lovely article that shows how obama killed all negotiations between israel and palestinians https://www.meforum.org/israeli-settlements-american-pressur...

tguvot commented on Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project bbc.com/news/articles/cvg... · Posted by u/mhga

nielsbot · 4 days ago

Same difference

tguvot · 3 days ago

at some point of time there was serious fallout between PA west bank and Hamas in Gaza (you need to remember that Hamas was elected as majority party by elections in 2006 and later there was coup attempt by PLO sponsored by usa, that succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza).

As result of this fallout PA stopped transferring money to Gaza to pay salaries and for maintenance of all infrastructure and services.

Mainstream media across the world had headlines that "hundreds of thousands of gazans will starve to death any moment now because they can't afford to buy food because israel blocks money for salaries" and "unmaintained infrastructure will result in mass illness etc.. etc.. etcc.. because israel blocks money for fixing things".

eventually Israel folded and allowed those transfers.

and now this is known as "israel propping up hamas"

tguvot commented on Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project bbc.com/news/articles/cvg... · Posted by u/mhga

EdwardDiego · 4 days ago

It's been dead since Netanyahu became Prime Minister.

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-748435

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/knesset-overwhe...

tguvot · 4 days ago

Netanyahu became PM in 1996. In his role as PM he signed follow up agreements to Oslo accords and handed over to PA control more parts west bank.

As cabinet minister (in 2004?) he voted 4 times in favor of disengagement from gaza and removal of all jews from there (both life and dead).

Later, when he became PM again, in speech that he gave he affirmed that he supports two state solution as long as palestinian state demilitarized (something that demand now all western countries that recognize it).

tguvot commented on Gazan woman flown to Italy dies of malnutrition bbc.com/news/articles/ce8... · Posted by u/mhga

ceejayoz · 6 days ago

> increased circulating catabolic hormones

AKA stress hormones. I wonder why they're stressed?

> nothing to do with starvation.

I assure you, if you have one of these conditions, piling starvation on top absolutely hurts your chances of survival.

> in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ?

Population-wise, that's the equivalent of 170 in Gaza, and the US numbers are largely elderly people; Gaza is 50% minors.

Starvation is the openly stated goal of the Israeli government. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-n...

> "Israel's policy is clear: no humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers preventing Hamas from using it as a tool with the population," [Defense Minister] Katz said in a statement.

tguvot · 5 days ago

Cortisol is a steroid hormone, often referred to as the "stress hormone," that plays a crucial role in regulating various bodily functions and responding to stress. It is produced by the adrenal glands and its release is controlled by the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis. While essential for life, imbalances in cortisol levels can lead to various health issues.

adrenal glands disfunction can cause elevated levels of cortisol. adrenal glands also responsible for catecholamines. adrenal glands disfunction can be caused by diabetes, leukamia or number of other conditions.

wait till you learn about auto-immune disorders.

tguvot commented on Gazan woman flown to Italy dies of malnutrition bbc.com/news/articles/ce8... · Posted by u/mhga

ceejayoz · 6 days ago

There is no "other guy". They're both me.

> this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation

This is an assertion made by the Israeli government, an interested party with a history of lying. "Israel's government denies there is malnutrition in Gaza" is a claim even the Trump administration contests (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o).

> this is one of symptoms of diabetes

To be clear, they asserted untreated diabetes. Its untreated nature is also something related to the war, Israel having bombed every hospital in Gaza and blockaded all supplies including food.

A diabetic's body eating itself in a blockaded war zone with no food or medicine is… unsurprising. Starving people in a slightly roundabout way is still starving people, even if they have existing medical conditions.

tguvot · 6 days ago

Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance.

nothing to do with starvation.

in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? or is it just happens so that malnutrition is a complex thing that not always affected by food supply

tguvot commented on Gazan woman flown to Italy dies of malnutrition bbc.com/news/articles/ce8... · Posted by u/mhga

ceejayoz · 6 days ago

From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ ?

The bit you left off is pretty telling:

> Macronutrients such as [amino acid] supplements, taken together with conventional therapy, may maintain muscular protein metabolism and cell functions.

We're right back at "not enough protein".

tguvot · 6 days ago

the other guy wrote "Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. ".

this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation. this is one of symptoms of diabetes which "may" could help by "amino acid supplements"

so we are not back anywhere.

tguvot commented on Gazan woman flown to Italy dies of malnutrition bbc.com/news/articles/ce8... · Posted by u/mhga

ceejayoz · 7 days ago

The Israeli denials in this article should be taken in context.

https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259113948070197 / https://www.instagram.com/p/DMs4qUlInQE/

> 41-year-old Mohammad al-Hasanat didn’t die of starvation — he suffered from untreated diabetes and died from complications of severe hypercatabolism.

Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. Statements all the way up to Netanyahu that no starvation is happening in Gaza are deeply, profoundly absurd.

tguvot · 6 days ago

and sometimes banana is simply banana:

Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. The most important metabolic consequence of HS is the skeletal and cardiac muscle protein breakdown that releases amino acids (AAs), which in turn supports indispensable body energy requirements but also reduces skeletal and cardiac physiologic and metabolic functions. HS occurs in many diseases such as diabetes mellitus, chronic heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, renal and liver failure, trauma, sepsis, and senescence

tguvot commented on US state department stops issuing visas for Gaza’s children to get medical care theguardian.com/us-news/2... · Posted by u/NomDePlum

artninja1988 · 7 days ago

They have a point in that Israel should be forced to take care of those children, also to stop the genocide. Taking in displaced only serves Israels interests

tguvot · 7 days ago

Israel used to provide advanced medical care to gazans.

One day women that was treated for cancer (and iirc was healed) arrived to follow up checkup in suicide vest.

Gaza borders many kibutzim (kind of socialistic communal settlement) which are very left leaning, pro peace, 2 state solution, etc, etc. People from those kibutzim used to pick up sick gazans from border crossing and drive them to hospitals in Israel for treatment and back. On Oct7 those kibutzim were hardest hit with some of them I think loosing 50% of members.