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surgical_fire commented on Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says   arstechnica.com/tech-poli... · Posted by u/ndsipa_pomu
guywithahat · 3 days ago
The chatbots did bring productivity gains, the union argued that it wasn't significant enough for them to lay off people. I'm not as familiar with Australian union laws, but companies shouldn't be afraid to innovate like this. Wages don't go up through government force, they go up through innovation and increased efficiency
surgical_fire · 3 days ago
Hard disagree. Labor should definitely be protected against exploitation from corporations.
surgical_fire commented on Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says   arstechnica.com/tech-poli... · Posted by u/ndsipa_pomu
surgical_fire · 3 days ago
Weird take, considering that according to the text of the article the "innovation" didn't bring any productivity gains.
surgical_fire commented on Vibe Coding Is the Worst Idea of 2025 [video]   youtube.com/watch?v=1A6uP... · Posted by u/tomwphillips
bitpush · 4 days ago
Here's how Innovators Dilemma plays out.

Step 1: Some upstarts create a new way of doing something. It’s clunky and unrefined.

Step 2: "Experts" and senior folks in the field dismiss it as a "toy." It doesn't follow their established rules or best practices and seems amateurish. They wouldn't recommend it to anyone serious.

Step 3: The "toy" gets adopted by a small group of outsiders or newcomers who aren't burdened by the "right way" of doing things. They play with it, improve it, and find new applications for it.

Step 4: The "toy" becomes so effective and widespread that it becomes the new standard. The original experts are left looking out of touch, their deep knowledge now irrelevant to the new way of doing things.

We're at step 2, bordering on 3.

* Executives at Nokia and BlackBerry saw the first iPhone, with its lack of a physical keyboard, as an impractical toy for media consumption, not a serious work device.

* Professional photographers viewed the first low-resolution digital cameras as flimsy gadgets, only for them to completely decimate the film industry.

surgical_fire · 4 days ago
This reeks of survivorship bias.

Many "new ways" of doing something die before becoming the norm. Using the examples where it prevailed without looking at all the times it failed is just bad rationale.

"vibe coding" (what a horrid jargon) may be the new digital camera. It also may be the new metaverse (just to use a recent example still fresh in people's minds).

Contrary to digital camera and iphone, "vibe coding" is muddled by an army of people deeply invested in Gen AI adoption (either directly or indirectly) that want it to succeed no matter if it makes sense or not.

surgical_fire commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
wpm · 5 days ago
You still could t ditch the Mac because it’s the only platform you can develop apps on due to its yucky, “legacy” feature of….letting you run software on it without Apples “approval”. I’m sure it’s true what they say and it’s really about “security” though, not their App Store monopoly.

Even Apple can’t get around that. The Mac sticks around for this very reason: as a dev platform

surgical_fire · 5 days ago
I always hope that Apple someday locks down their computers like that.
surgical_fire commented on Ask HN: Have any successful startups been made by 'vibe coding'?    · Posted by u/nomilk
paulcole · 5 days ago
Funny how devs here used to love bragging about how their job isn't to write code and that they shouldn't be measured on LOC.

Now suddenly the problem is that AI can't write a lot of code.

surgical_fire · 5 days ago
Both can be true.

LLMs have an unsolvable problem of "hallucination". It is a bad description of what the problem is because hallucination is all they do, it just also happens to be correct in many cases. The larger the codebase or the problem space, the less accurate LLMs tend to be.

And developers to a lot more than generating LOC.

surgical_fire commented on Ask HN: Have any successful startups been made by 'vibe coding'?    · Posted by u/nomilk
0xbadcafebee · 5 days ago
The limitation is the scope of the problem space; reduce the space and it becomes more reliable. Use the LLM to create independent discrete highly-cohesive composeable applications (with test suites), use those to compose the business logic, and it will be reliable. So basically microservices (but, actually correct microservices, rather than how most people make them).
surgical_fire · 5 days ago
The problem of this approach is the problem of "correct microservices". You are moving complexity up from the application layer to the architecture layer. If you ever had to work on "correct microservices", you will know that even for humans it becomes hard to have a mental model and reason about the system as a whole. Good luck having your LLMs tackle it, when at times the best way to describe those services is through diagrams instead of text descriptions.
surgical_fire commented on AWS pricing for Kiro dev tool dubbed 'a wallet-wrecking tragedy'   theregister.com/2025/08/1... · Posted by u/rntn
kace91 · 6 days ago
I think it’s clear that these tools are going to get more expensive.

What is not clear to me is that they’ll get expensive enough to not be worth it for a company.

A good engineer costs a lot of money and comes with limitations derived from being human.

Let’s say AI manages to be a 2x multiplier in productivity. Prices for that multiplier can rise a lot before they reach 120k/year for 40 hours a week, the point at which you’re better off hiring someone.

surgical_fire · 5 days ago
> Let’s say AI manages to be a 2x multiplier

That's extremely optimistic.

surgical_fire commented on GitHub CEO Warns Developers: "Either Embrace AI or Get Out of This Career"   finalroundai.com/blog/git... · Posted by u/pjmlp
agos · 19 days ago
I see a worrying trend of CEOs using openly hostile language towards employees, even in those companies who should be a bit better. I wonder if they have an endgame and what it is. Voluntary resignation?
surgical_fire · 19 days ago
Nothing new. People who climb the corporate ladder to C-level are all sociopaths. They always have nothing bit contempt for the peasantry they unfortunately have to employ to make their millions in compensation.

It's only trendy now to say those things publicly without PR and media training filter.

surgical_fire commented on Big Tech Killed the Golden Age of Programming   taylor.gl/blog/29... · Posted by u/taylorlunt
freedomben · 25 days ago
That's true, but I think you need to account for the state of hardware and operating systems too. Unless you're on Linux, the hackability and control over your own computing environment has never been worse (aside from when those things weren't accessible at all). Yes I can build almost anything nowadays, but actually using it is a different story, even just for personal use (ask people with iPhones and increasingly Android about that).
surgical_fire · 25 days ago
> Unless you're on Linux

Why would anyone interested in programming use anything else?

I am forced to use a Mac at work, but I digress.

surgical_fire commented on Microsoft Introduces 'Copilot Mode' in Edge   blogs.windows.com/msedged... · Posted by u/Bogdanp
dotancohen · 25 days ago
Then you and I work with very different people. Here it seems "reset it and try again" is considered a viable problem solving technique.
surgical_fire · 25 days ago
It sometimes is, as resetting may clean some dirty state. Even when people don't really understand why they are doing it, and are merely following trends they saw elsewhere, it does not invalidate the point.

u/surgical_fire

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