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stokedmind commented on Accepting US car standards would risk European lives   etsc.eu/accepting-us-car-... · Posted by u/saubeidl
zero_k · 15 days ago
Honestly US standards can go to hell. I absolutely abhor these monstrosities. They should be outright banned except if specific need can be shown. They are dangerous, take up way too much space, and excessively damage the road.

Your freedom to do stuff stops where my freedom to walk & cycle around without undue fear of death begins.

stokedmind · 15 days ago
Attributing "monstrosities" only to the US as a "US standards" doesn't make sense since the consumer trend towards bigger cars is global. It's a consumer trend, not a standard.

In NL, for example, I see plenty of large EU cars driving around with only a very occasional US "monstrosity" like a pickup truck, and I don't even live in the city.

stokedmind commented on Accepting US car standards would risk European lives   etsc.eu/accepting-us-car-... · Posted by u/saubeidl
bgnn · 15 days ago
I can agree with the most of this, but the large families being pushed out of existence is plainly wrong. How much the school is costing you? Healthcare? How much do you save by being able to cycle with 4 kids to short distances, where most of your daily travel comprised of?

Sure, car ownership is expensive here, but this is necessary to discourage car-centric culture.

Oh, I would have bought a VW transporter in your case, but that's a personal preference matter.

stokedmind · 15 days ago
> I can agree with the most of this, but the large families being pushed out of existence is plainly wrong. How much the school is costing you? Healthcare? How much do you save by being able to cycle with 4 kids to short distances, where most of your daily travel comprised of?

Oh I love cycling. I know it's hard to find even remotely comparable cycling-friendly locations in the States, even if growing up (also in a large family) we were fortunate enough to live walking distance to schools in a suburban area.

But for education and health, health care isn't "free" in the Netherlands. We pay hundreds per month for the whole family for health insurance on top of the high taxes that support the "system". Public education is also tax-supported in the USA for K-12, although indeed higher education is more expensive.

I'm more referencing policy that is intentionally "squeezing" everything to make it all smaller and more frugal in a way that makes a <5 family size far more practical. It is not the same in the States.

stokedmind commented on Accepting US car standards would risk European lives   etsc.eu/accepting-us-car-... · Posted by u/saubeidl
firesteelrain · 15 days ago
I am not an expert on car safety standards in either US or EU. Nitpicking this quote: “ Europe currently has mandatory requirements for life-saving technologies, such as pedestrian protection, automated emergency braking and lane-keeping assistance”

My cheap, Chevy Trax has some of these features. Lane keeping assistance is there. It will tell me if there is a pedestrian in front of me. If it sees someone’s brake lights then it will flash a red light on the windshield to warn me that I am too close.

It doesn’t have emergency braking but my Wife’s 2019 Honda Odyssey had all those things except the pedestrian protection. All US vehicles.

What standards are we really talking about?

This is one of these articles that feels more like clickbait and judging on the emotional responses I see in this comment section it worked. The top comment is railing against Dodge Rams which wasn’t mentioned in the article.

stokedmind · 15 days ago
The US, at least at the state level, has often adopted standards far earlier than Europe. Seat belts, the latch system (called ISOFix in Europe) for car seats, and airbags come to mind.

Agreed that this feels like click/rage bait mostly against US pickup trucks, which many people in the States express frustration with too!

stokedmind commented on Accepting US car standards would risk European lives   etsc.eu/accepting-us-car-... · Posted by u/saubeidl
iolo · 15 days ago
I feel like a vw transporter 7 seater would suit your use case, maybe a vw caddy if you want something physically smaller.
stokedmind · 15 days ago
I looked at transporters, they are about the same size (although less space in the "trunk"/back) but much more expensive to purchase. Almost exclusively diesels are available (with some rare exceptions), and their taxes are even higher than mine! Don't get me started on the VW Multivan or similar - beautiful cars, but extremely expensive.

VW Caddy we looked at and almost bought, but we had many bad encounters with dealers and instead bought from the private market.

stokedmind commented on Accepting US car standards would risk European lives   etsc.eu/accepting-us-car-... · Posted by u/saubeidl
stokedmind · 15 days ago
As an American living in the Netherlands with a larger family (especially by EU standards, with 4 children!), I think I see a slightly different perspective.

Here, owning a car is extremely expensive - perhaps one of the most expensive in Europe. This price goes up considerably when you get a larger vehicle, both because fuel costs are very high but also because you are taxed quarterly for CO2/weight of the vehicle.

With a larger family, you are squeezed into an uncomfortable position since you are outside of the <= 2 child norm. Many 7+ seater vehicles (French cars, etc) are extremely impractical to the point of me thinking that they are not actually designed for more than 5 seats in use, as there is comically low cargo room and the 3rd row is extremely cramped (try fitting a stroller or anything besides people...ha!).

I ended up picking up a Chrysler Town & Country import from the USA for my family, because it was the only vehicle that I could find for a reasonable price that checked all of the boxes, and am paying dearly for it (400+ euros every quarter just to have the privilege of registering it!).

Before you say anything about us having a "kindercrusher" we also have 2 bakfiets cargo bikes and use them regularly, but public transit and bikes don't scale well to large families for anything more than a short distance ride (school, groceries, etc).

Large families are being squeezed out of existence here.

stokedmind commented on Go 1.22   go.dev/doc/go1.22... · Posted by u/bestinterest
BillyTheKing · 2 years ago
I've been mostly writing Typescript the past 3 years - and recently started writing code in Go. Initially I was a little apprehensive, lack of array functions, slightly less flexible type-system, etc.

But after spending some time writing Go I now had to re-initialise a typescript project for a small-ish team (4-5 devs). The amount of time spent on things such as linting, selecting the correct library for server routing, the correct server, coding standards, basic error-handling and enforcing it with a custom error or Result type to get out of this nested try/catch hell which still loses the majority of errors. Setting up testing and mocking. Setting up Prisma and what not - and finally the PRs are still a hit and miss, some ok, some make use of weird JS functions..

Don't get me wrong, I really do like Typescript. But I gotta say after all of that it's just great using a language with a fantastic standard library, proper type-safety, with some coding standards built-in. It's obviously not without quirks, but it's pretty decent - and great to see that routing has now also moved into the standard library, another bit that you don't have to worry about - can't wait for some map/filter/find slice functions though!

stokedmind · 2 years ago
Other replies miss the point - the problem doesn't lie with Typescript itself exactly. Setting up a nodejs/js project with all of the fixings (linting, Typescript, spell checks, builds if needed, etc) is quite tedious.

Sure you can accept some template project or CLI tool to kickstart things if just starting out, but at some point you will need to tweak the configuration and there is an enormous realm of options.

I'm surprised no one mentioned this already, but a runtime like Deno goes to great lengths to solve alot of these pain points. You get testing, linting, bundling, and Typescript out-of-the-box with sane settings. If Deno worked better with GRPC I'd probably be using it right now in my work projects!

u/stokedmind

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