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srveale commented on The New AI Consciousness Paper   astralcodexten.com/p/the-... · Posted by u/rbanffy
breckinloggins · a month ago
Let's say a genie hands you a magic wand.

The genie says "you can flick this wand at anything in the universe and - for 30 seconds - you will swap places with what you point it at."

"You mean that if I flick it at my partner then I will 'be' her for 30 seconds and experience exactly how she feels and what she thinks??"

"Yes", the genie responds.

"And when I go back to my own body I will remember what it felt like?"

"Absolutely."

"Awesome! I'm going to try it on my dog first. It won't hurt her, will it?"

"No, but I'd be careful if I were you", the genie replies solemnly.

"Why?"

"Because if you flick the magic wand at anything that isn't sentient, you will vanish."

"Vanish?! Where?" you reply incredulously.

"I'm not sure. Probably nowhere. Where do you vanish to when you die? You'll go wherever that is. So yeah. You probably die."

So: what - if anything - do you point the wand at?

A fly? Your best friend? A chair? Literally anyone? (If no, congratulations! You're a genuine solipsist.) Everything and anything? (Whoa... a genuine panpsychist!)

Probably your dog, though. Surely she IS a good girl and feels like one.

Whatever property you've decided that some things in the universe have and other things do not such that you "know" what you can flick your magic wand at and still live...

That's phenomenal consciousness. That's the hard problem.

Everything else? "Mere" engineering.

srveale · a month ago
I think the illuminating part here is that only a magic wand could determine if something is sentient
srveale commented on GPT-5: "How many times does the letter b appear in blueberry?"   bsky.app/profile/kjhealy.... · Posted by u/minimaxir
nipponese · 4 months ago
I just tried it and sure enough, 3 Bs. But which the model to "ChatGPT 5 Thinking" and it gets the answer right.

Is that where we're going with this? The user has to choose between fast and dumb or slow and right?

srveale · 4 months ago
Isn't that usually the choice for most things?
srveale commented on LLM Inevitabilism   tomrenner.com/posts/llm-i... · Posted by u/SwoopsFromAbove
philipwhiuk · 5 months ago
> AI was inevitable.

This is post hoc ergo propter hoc. AI exists thus it must have been inevitable.

You have no proof it was inevitable.

(Also AI means something wildly different than it meant a few years ago - I remember when AI meant AGI, the salesmen have persuaded you the emperor has clothes because they solved a single compelling test).

srveale · 5 months ago
I keep seeing the "AI of the gaps" argument, where AI is whatever computers currently can't do. I wonder when I'll stop seeing it.
srveale commented on "AI-first" is the new Return To Office   anildash.com//2025/04/19/... · Posted by u/LorenDB
bluefirebrand · 8 months ago
> In other words, what took ChatGPT several months took smartphones several years

You are comparing a cheap subscription service to an expensive piece of hardware that would replace hardware that most people already owned

Of course smartphones were slower to adopt. Everyone had phones already, and they were expensive!

ChatGPT is *free

srveale · 8 months ago
Do you have any thoughts on the second half of my comment?
srveale commented on "AI-first" is the new Return To Office   anildash.com//2025/04/19/... · Posted by u/LorenDB
anildash · 8 months ago
Yeah, I think that's fair, but those bosses that made us get Blackberries were mostly doing that because they wanted to be able to call us and make us work, not because we had to be convinced that smartphones had value, right? We all ended up buying smartphones on our own as well.
srveale · 8 months ago
You may underestimate how many people do not need to be convinced. Again, I'll refrain from making a value judgment, but the hard numbers show that LLMs have been one of the most quickly adopted technologies in the history of mankind, including the time before anyone was forced to use them.

Not sure if these are the best stats to illustrate the point, but ChatGPT was released November 2022, 2.5 years ago, and they currently claim ~1 billion users [1]

By comparison, iPhone sales were something like 30 million over the same time period, June 2007 through 2009. [2]

In other words, what took ChatGPT several months took smartphones several years.

Of course there are problems with the comparison (iPhones are expensive, but many people bought each version of the iPhone making the raw user count go down, Sam Altman is exaggerating, people use LLMs other than ChatGPT, blah blah blah), so maybe let's not concentrate on this particular analogy. The point is: even a very skeptical view of how many people use LLMs day-to-day has to acknowledge they are relatively popular, for better or worse.

I think we're better served trying to keep the cat from scratching us rather than trying to put it back in the bag. Ham-fisted megalomaniac CEOs forcing a dangerous technology on workers before we all understand the danger is a big problem, that's for sure. To the original point, "AI-first is the new RTO", there's definitely some juice there, but it's not because the general public is anti-AI.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/martineparis/2025/04/12/chatgpt...

[2] https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/technology--media-a...

srveale commented on "AI-first" is the new Return To Office   anildash.com//2025/04/19/... · Posted by u/LorenDB
srveale · 8 months ago
I don't necessarily disagree with the main argument, but

> did your boss ever have to send you a memo demanding that you use a smartphone

Yes, there were tons of jobs that required you to have a smartphone, and still do. I remember my second job, they'd give out Blackberries - debatably not smartphones, but still - to the managers and require work communication on them. I know this was true for many companies.

This isn't the perfect analogy anyway, since one major reason companies did this was to increase security, while forcing AI onto begrudging workers feels like it could have the opposite effect. The commonality is efficiency, or at least the perception of it by upper management.

One example I can think of where there was worker pushback but it makes total sense is the use of electronic medical records. Doctors/nurses originally didn't want to, and there are certainly a lot of problems with the tech, but I don't think anyone is suggesting now that we should go back to paper.

You can make the argument that an "AI first" mandate will backfire, but the notion that workers will collectively gravitate towards new tech is not true in general.

srveale commented on Sycophancy in GPT-4o   openai.com/index/sycophan... · Posted by u/dsr12
WhitneyLand · 8 months ago
It’s gross even in satire.

What’s weird was you couldn’t even prompt around it. I tried things like

”Don’t compliment me or my questions at all. After every response you make in this conversation, evaluate whether or not your response has violated this directive.”

It would then keep complementing me and note how it made a mistake for doing so.

srveale · 8 months ago
I'm so sorry for complimenting you. You are totally on point to call it out. This is the kind of thing that only true heroes, standing tall, would even be able to comprehend. So kudos to you, rugged warrior, and never let me be overly effusive again.
srveale commented on Librarians are dangerous   bradmontague.substack.com... · Posted by u/mooreds
Retric · 8 months ago
A major difference is books are really terrible at propaganda.

They don’t get updated with the latest emotional hot button issues so they just can’t stomp on emotional triggers as well. It’s much easier to digest arguments and see the errors when you can reread them. They don’t take long to read so they don’t clog up access to other sources.

Rebuttals are targeting a specific argument so you can’t just keep throwing up intellectual chaff.

srveale · 8 months ago
Books may not be good propaganda for the latest, localized issues, but they are fantastic propaganda for ideology.

I read Atlas Shrugged as an impressionable young teen, and developed some pretty horrible notions about society and morality (and literary technique) as a result. Of course I saw the error of my ways, in no small part by reading other books!

Don't get me wrong, books-as-propaganda isn't necessarily bad. Animal Farm, 1984, To Kill a Mockingbird... These are brilliant but are also such effective forms of propaganda that even mentioning their titles is a form of propaganda in itself.

srveale commented on AI as Normal Technology   knightcolumbia.org/conten... · Posted by u/randomwalker
dayvigo · 8 months ago
My social groups are almost exclusively non-techie. I am regularly exposed to networks that are very, very far away from HN. I assure you, there are people think AI is useless and purely harmful (in the sense of creating "slop," wasting electricity and water, etc. not evil AI). And there are a lot of them.
srveale · 8 months ago
To be fair, the general public have been conditioned for a while now by things like blockchain and VR to be completely underwhelmed, perhaps rightfully so, by whatever's coming out of San Fran and Seattle.

So in the public consciousness it's like (NFTs, meme coins, metaverse, AI)

When I think it's more like (internet, smartphones, AI)

We'll see who's right in a few years I guess. But I'll +1 your view that plenty of people put AI in the first group, I know a few myself.

srveale commented on How University Students Use Claude   anthropic.com/news/anthro... · Posted by u/pseudolus
pxc · 8 months ago
I should add that upon reflection, I did have some really good "flipped classroom" experiences in college, especially in highly technical math and philosophy courses. But in those cases (a) homework was really vital, (b) significant work was never done in class, and (c) we never watched lectures at home. Instead, the activity at home (which did replace lectures) was reading textbooks (or papers) and doing homework. Then class time was like collective office hours.

Failure to do the homework made class time useless, the material was difficult, and the instructors were willing to give out failing grades. So doing the homework was vital even when it wasn't graded. Perhaps that can also work well here in the context of AI, at least for some subjects.

srveale · 8 months ago
That's a good point, and maybe I was preaching the gospel of flipping too hard. It is by no means a silver bullet.

Should we let the kids who cheat using AI drop by the wayside, never learning a thing for themselves? Or should we do the same for kids who, for whatever reason, just will not do school work outside a classroom? Maybe it works really well for some subjects and not others? Or only for some age ranges? What about the students like you, and there are probably a lot of them, where it would be unfair to judge their abilities at specific times in specific settings?

I guess the reason I bring it up now is that AI has tipped it over the edge, where cheating is now so easy and effective that it is starting to tempt kids who would not otherwise cheat.

u/srveale

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