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shp0ngle commented on DNS over Wikipedia   github.com/aaronjanse/dns... · Posted by u/pyinstallwoes
shp0ngle · 2 years ago
> If you had actually read the thread you'd know that it's Wikipedia policy not to include links to sites containg content illegal in the US because that can actually get visitors in trouble.

Not really though.

They have WP:ELNO which includes this, but that excludes WP:ELOFFICIAL. Official links are exception to that list.

> "These links are normally exempt from the links normally to be avoided, but they are not exempt from the restrictions on linking"

The only things that are restricted for official pages is what is in WP:ELNEVER

> 1. Policy: material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked, whether in an external-links section or in a citation.[a] External links to websites that display copyrighted works are acceptable as long as the website is manifestly run, maintained or owned by the copyright owner; the owner has licensed the content in a way that allows the website to use it; or the website uses the work in a way compliant with fair use. Knowingly directing others to material that violates copyright might be considered contributory copyright infringement.[c] If there is reason to believe that a website has a copy of a work in violation of its copyright, do not link to it. Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work casts a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as Scribd, WikiLeaks, or YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates copyright. > 2. Technical: sites that match the Wikipedia-specific or multi-site blacklist without being whitelisted. Edits containing such links are automatically blocked from being saved.

According to wikipedia's own official policies, links to 8chan and kiwifarms should be allowed as official links, as Stormfront and The Daily Stormer is, as they don't break copyright and are not on spam blacklists.

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again my problem is not censorship (I am for that), it's just that wikipedia acts like it isn't happening and cannot make an official ruleset that they follow.

shp0ngle commented on DNS over Wikipedia   github.com/aaronjanse/dns... · Posted by u/pyinstallwoes
chownie · 2 years ago
Do they pretend there's no censorship? I don't see that. They block spam and I'm certain no one objects to that, so the bare fact that they exclude some information clearly does not constitute the status "censored"

I'd imagine the reason kiwifarms gets different treatment is because the site is a lot worse than the descriptor "anti-trans doxxing forum" might make you believe — it's a website designed specifically to facilitate long term stalking and harassment campaigns. Trans people are their flavour of the month right now but a few years ago it was anyone disabled.

shp0ngle · 2 years ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_...

https://foundation.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Controver...

If there is some official policy which links are allowed and which are not, I'll shut up.

Why are some links allowed and some not, what is the policy, if there is some.

I see

> Wikimedia projects are not censored. Some kinds of content, particularly that of a sexual, violent or religious nature, may be offensive to some viewers; and some viewers may feel such content is disrespectful or inappropriate for themselves, their families or their students, while others may find it acceptable.

which seems to me against link censorship.

shp0ngle commented on Vietnamese property tycoon sentenced to death in $27B fraud case   theguardian.com/world/202... · Posted by u/spxneo
monero-xmr · 2 years ago
He worked at a few large companies with offices, and this is what he told me. Maybe you need to be big and legacy with a physical footprint. But this is what he told me. He has a lot of very interesting anecdotes. For example in Laos if you impregnate a woman as a foreigner, you have to marry her, under penalty of death. So his girlfriends were always trying to mess with his condoms, try to get him to have unprotected sex, and various oddities. So he claimed
shp0ngle · 2 years ago
your friend should stop seeing "girlfriends".
shp0ngle commented on DNS over Wikipedia   github.com/aaronjanse/dns... · Posted by u/pyinstallwoes
prosody · 2 years ago
Interestingly, Wikipedia editors are aware that Wikipedia articles are used to find the current URL of sites that are forced to change URLs frequently due to legal or moral issues, and they face the same dilemma registrars and service providers face.[0] So although it seems somewhat more resilient than search engine companies to demands from copyright holders, it's not uncensored, something to keep in mind if you're infrastructurizing it for that purpose.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:8chan/Archive_2#Inclusion...

shp0ngle · 2 years ago
Yeah for example 8chan and kiwifarms are usually censored. I'm not that mad about it, some censorship is always necessary (you don't want links to child porn), but it's weird that Wikipedia pretends there is no censorship. And it's kind of arbitrary.

Why is stormfront - an openly nazi forum (a really old one at that) - allowed, but kiwifarms - an anti-trans doxxing forum - isn't? It's both bad

shp0ngle commented on Vietnamese property tycoon sentenced to death in $27B fraud case   theguardian.com/world/202... · Posted by u/spxneo
wubrr · 2 years ago
Why is it more barbaric than death penalty for something like murder? How much damage would 27B in corruption cause to people and society?
shp0ngle · 2 years ago
Everyone steals in Vietnam.

Every time the communists change positions in the politburo, the new communist in charge arrests the previous one for corruption. And so it goes.

(Nguyen Xuan Phuc, the one who was hailed for zero covid previously, was later arrested for... stealing covid funds. Oh wow, who knew)

There is 0 trust between actual people for the party. People just shut up because the economy is doing fine and people have jobs.

shp0ngle commented on Vietnamese property tycoon sentenced to death in $27B fraud case   theguardian.com/world/202... · Posted by u/spxneo
andsoitis · 2 years ago
Death penalty for corruption? That seems barbaric.

Then I read there are a few countries that impose capital punishment for non-violent crimes: China, Indonesia (some acts of corruption which "damage national economy or finances"), Morocco, Thailand (bribery), Vietnam (bribery).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_non-vio...

shp0ngle · 2 years ago
On one hand it's Vietnam where everyone bribes everyone. (Literally. Stealing country funds is a fact of life.)

On the other hand it's 21 billion.

Still rough.

shp0ngle commented on Vietnamese property tycoon sentenced to death in $27B fraud case   theguardian.com/world/202... · Posted by u/spxneo
shp0ngle · 2 years ago
Note that she got a death sentence for fraud. It's... rough. (In my opinion.)
shp0ngle commented on The Git repositories of XZ projects are available on GitHub again   github.com/tukaani-projec... · Posted by u/stux
shp0ngle · 2 years ago
The actual maintainers of the repo seem to take the position that all "Jia Tan" commits are backdoor-free unless proven otherwise, so most of his commits still stay (as they* did a LOT of actual, real work on the repo).

I am curious what people think about that. It's still around 30k lines of code made by a known malicious entity, looking at git blame. However it seems mostly fine?

* plural "they" ;)

shp0ngle commented on GNU Stow needs a co-maintainer   savannah.gnu.org/bugs/ind... · Posted by u/nequo
MuffinFlavored · 2 years ago
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shp0ngle · 2 years ago
I'll ping Jigar
shp0ngle commented on Find My Device on Android   blog.google/products/andr... · Posted by u/el_duderino
MBCook · 2 years ago
I can’t imagine anyone, even Apple, solving the issues of the screen being perfectly flat at the hinge. I don’t think it can be made to feel the same as the rest of the screen or have no visual difference either.

And I like my iPhone. If it was twice as thick and half as tall when folded, I just don’t see that as “better”.

If it was the same thickness as today when folded and half as thick when unfolded I’m not sure that’s better either (and would be harder to make anyway).

Folding phones seem like one of those neat things that can be made but don’t solve any problem most people have. It seems like it would be most useful to make something the size of a lipstick case that unfolds into something a bit wider. That would’ve been cool 20 years ago. But I don’t wanna phone that tiny these days.

shp0ngle · 2 years ago
Well they do solve problem for me - I want a small phone, flip is.

I like my iPhone Mini but apparently most people didn't.

u/shp0ngle

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