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rootnod3 commented on Vibe Debugging: Enterprises' Up and Coming Nightmare   marketsaintefficient.subs... · Posted by u/someoneloser
MoreQARespect · a day ago
I would usually measure "TDD correctness" in terms of how closely the test matches a user story vs how closely it mirrors code implementation.

The former is desirable, not common. The latter is common, not desirable.

rootnod3 · a day ago
And with LLMs you'd have to measure how close the prompt is to a user story then. And how close its output is to the user story.
rootnod3 commented on The warning signs the AI bubble is about to burst   telegraph.co.uk/business/... · Posted by u/taimurkazmi
turnsout · a day ago
Exactly—it's going to be the same this time. That's how bubbles do.

What I'm trying to express is that when people say "AI is a bubble," the don't understand that AI will actually survive that bubble, even if many "AI companies" do not.

rootnod3 · a day ago
I don't think so. Most companies that went under in the 90's bubble are definitely not doing well today. Lycos? The stuff that survived was 99% stuff that didn't have to rely on the bubble to begin with. MS or Oracle were doing fine even with the bubble bursting because their core business was not relying on it. But if the AI bubble burst, the AI shops are gonna go bye bye.
rootnod3 commented on The warning signs the AI bubble is about to burst   telegraph.co.uk/business/... · Posted by u/taimurkazmi
turnsout · a day ago
> “When will the internet bubble burst?” the cover story of Barron’s asked on March 20 2000. “That unpleasant popping sound is likely to be heard before the end of this year.”

Again—the internet was a bubble, and yet it eventually far surpassed even the frothiest expectations.

If you're investing for the short-term, do what you gotta do. The AI bubble will burst and lots of superficial companies will be washed away. But we're just getting started. This next wave will make a new round of companies like Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc.

rootnod3 · a day ago
The internet as a platform or network survived, but most of the big players in the bubble went down. Only the veeeeery big ones survived due to enough residual funds and the smaller players that didn't have a big enough claim yet.
rootnod3 commented on The warning signs the AI bubble is about to burst   telegraph.co.uk/business/... · Posted by u/taimurkazmi
pembrook · a day ago
A good sign the bubble is not actually bursting: a mainstream news publication predicting it. [1]

It's still 1994. We won't be near the top until the Telegraph publishes an article overly exuberant about AI and saying AGI is here.

If every idiot commenting on Reddit, HN, X, and mainstream news publications is pessimistic and constantly shouting "bubble!," then definitionally, we have not reached irrational exuberance and we're not even remotely near the top.

[1] https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/566807/theinternetbah3.webp (1995)

rootnod3 · a day ago
Ah, so we are only 5 years away from he whole thing bursting? So, the papers in '94 warning about the dangers were just pessimistic idiot outlets? See ya in 5 years then.
rootnod3 commented on Vibe Debugging: Enterprises' Up and Coming Nightmare   marketsaintefficient.subs... · Posted by u/someoneloser
itsdrewmiller · a day ago
> I suspect best practices for "vibe coding" will end up like test-driven development: a proven method for writing better software that many engineers still choose to skip.

I’d like to see the proof for TDD; last I heard it slowed development with only minor reliability improvements.

rootnod3 · a day ago
So, there you have it. TDD is good if applied correctly, and only if you apply it 100% correct. And so it seems for LLM usage. If it doesn't work for you, then you are obviously doing it wrong according to many folks here. TDD is nice to catch refactoring mistakes, LLMs are nice to maybe do some initial refactoring on a small enough code base. And it doesn't mean that one precludes the other. But I haven't seen TDD put engineers out of work and neither should LLMs. Trust either model fully and you are in for a world of hurt.
rootnod3 commented on The unbearable slowness of AI coding   joshuavaldez.com/the-unbe... · Posted by u/aymandfire
rootnod3 · 2 days ago
According to most enthusiasts of LLM/agentic coding you are just doing it wrong then.
rootnod3 · a day ago
I seem to have forgotten the golden rule to never speak out against LLMs, yet you be subjected to instant downvotes. I don't mind the downvotes, but bring some counterpoints to the discussion and make it worth the platform.

EDIT: typo

rootnod3 commented on The unbearable slowness of AI coding   joshuavaldez.com/the-unbe... · Posted by u/aymandfire
bdangubic · 2 days ago
not sure this is really true/fair, I think what LLM/agentic code enthusiasts will say is that they have found their way to be effective with it while naysayers will fight the "this is sh*t" battle until they are eventually out of the workforce.
rootnod3 · a day ago
So, why do you only opt for that side of the argument? Why not indulge in the side of the naysayers will be able to keep a job after the bubble bursts because they still know how to code by hand? And that exact sentiment is what I was alluding to.

There is maybe some truth to the LLM vibe coding and there maybe is some truth to the “old guard” saying “this is shit”, because this might be shit for very good reasons.

rootnod3 commented on The unbearable slowness of AI coding   joshuavaldez.com/the-unbe... · Posted by u/aymandfire
bdangubic · 2 days ago
It isn't like programming. It is its own thing.

Absolutely. And what I find fascinating that this experience is highly personal. I read probably 876 different “How I code with LLMs” and I can honestly say not a single thing I read and tried (and I tried A LOT) “worked” for me…

rootnod3 · 2 days ago
According to most enthusiasts of LLM/agentic coding you are just doing it wrong then.
rootnod3 commented on AWS CEO says using AI to replace junior staff is 'Dumbest thing I've ever heard'   theregister.com/2025/08/2... · Posted by u/JustExAWS
eatsyourtacos · 2 days ago
Sounds like you are using it entirely wrong then...

Just yesterday I uploaded a few files of my code (each about 3000+ lines) into a gpt5 project and asked in assistance in changing a lot of database calls into a caching system, and it proceeded to create a full 500 line file with all the caching objects and functions I needed. Then we went section through section of the main 3000+ line file to change parts of the database queries into the cached version. [I didn't even really need to do this, it basically detected everything I would need changing at once and gave me most of it, but I wanted to do it in smaller chunks so I was sure what was going on]

Could I have done this without AI? Sure.. but this was basically like having a second pair of eyes and validating what I'm doing. And saving me a bunch of time so I'm not writing everything from scratch. I have the base template of what I need then I can improve it from there.

All the code it wrote was perfectly clean.. and this is not a one off, I've been using it daily for the last year for everything. It almost completely replaces my need to have a junior developer helping me.

rootnod3 · 2 days ago
How large is that code-base overall? Would you be able to let the LLM look at the entirety of it without it crapping out?

It definitely sounds nice to go and change a few queries, but did it also consider the potential impacts in other parts of the source or in adjacent running systems? The query itself here might not be the best example, but you get what I mean.

rootnod3 commented on AWS CEO says using AI to replace junior staff is 'Dumbest thing I've ever heard'   theregister.com/2025/08/2... · Posted by u/JustExAWS
malfist · 2 days ago
Perhaps the issue is you were used to writing 200k lines of code. Most engineers would be agast at that. Lines of code is a debit not a credit
rootnod3 · 2 days ago
In that case, LLMs are full on debt-machines.

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