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rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
Jemm · 2 years ago
When choosing 'Navigable by boat', the massive Trent-Severn system in Southern Ontario disappears.
rmc · 2 years ago
(I made WaterwayMap.org) The data is 100% OpenStreetMap, and updated daily. Something missing on WWM.org means something missing on OSM. You can fix that yourself!
rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
yawpitch · 2 years ago
It’s got a lot of details wrong… it took us five real years (plus one fake pandemic one) to visit every nook and cranny, and they’ve implied things are navigable that sure as heck aren’t — just try and get on the Dee from Chester without a crane except in a lethally high flood, the lock was disassembled years ago — and unnavigable that definitely are (it’s got the Manchester Ship Canal on there, but not the Mersey we crossed to get to it).
rmc · 2 years ago
(I made WaterwayMap.org) The data is 100% OSM. You edit it to fix it yourself.
rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
s3krit · 2 years ago
I went straight into these comments hoping to find another HN (potentially narrow) boater!

What's interesting and somewhat amusing is that this map has determined that the section of the Soar that joins with the Trent just north of Loughborough is apparently unnavigable. This time of year I'd generally agree.

rmc · 2 years ago
(I made WaterwayMap.org)

> What's interesting and somewhat amusing is that this map has determined that the section of the Soar that joins with the Trent just north of Loughborough is apparently unnavigable

The boat views only use the OpenStreetMap `boat` tag. If a section of river is missing from WWM.org, then it's likely the tag is missing from the OSM waterway. You can fix that!

rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
maxglute · 2 years ago
Is there a legend somewhere? Or a way to delineate something like a small culvert versus large canal.
rmc · 2 years ago
(I made WaterwayMap.org) There isn't a legend, because all waterways are treated the same.
rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
mxfh · 2 years ago
Seems great for debugging waterway topologies.

Some things I noticed after a few minutes:

- A lot of smaller rivers system and tributaries seem not to be connected all the way through as seeing smaller disconnected systems with shorter total lengths.

- small rivers that and at the shore geometry of larger rivers but are not connected to the main centerline

- some streams are disconnected by other waterbodies where they should not be, as there seems to be little consensus on how to connect waterways through lakes and other waterbodies, having an unnamed waterway along the centerline connect through the named lake seems to be a good compromise to not mess up rendering but helps with linking up topologies.

https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/52843/does-the-rive...

rmc · 2 years ago
(I made WaterwayMap.org) Yeah, it's been very useful to make OSM data better.

> some streams are disconnected by other waterbodies where they should not be, as there seems to be little consensus on how to connect waterways through lakes and other waterbodies

Yeah, the OSM community is still discussing this: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/should-river-lines-be-...

rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
mcdonje · 2 years ago
Weird how so many streams end at the Massachusetts state line.

Not the dev's fault of course.

I've noticed a similar difference of how rock formations are recorded at state line boundaries on USGS maps.

Dealing with different datasets from different bureaucracies is an intractable problem.

rmc · 2 years ago
(I made WaterwayMap.org) The data is 100% from OpenStreetMap. I only have to deal with 1 dataset. I suspect people have imported data from Massachusetts into OSM, hence why you see the edge. You can edit OSM to connect things up yourself.
rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
lukasm · 2 years ago
I had a look at central Europe and this map not accurate e.g. motor boar = yes and it only shows w few parts of the same river.
rmc · 2 years ago
(I made WaterwayMap.org) The data is 100% OpenStreetMap. It's possible many rivers are missing the `boat` tag (which that uses). If you add the missing tag, then it'll appear on WWM.org tomorrow!
rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
hasoleju · 2 years ago
If you zoom in you see a length in km next to each river. For small ones it looks like it is the total length of that waterway. For bigger rivers that I'm familiar with I was not able to make sense of that number. It is not the length, it's too big for that. Maybe it's the total length of that waterway and all connected waterways? It also does not change when I travel along that waterway.

My example is the river Neckar close to Heidelberg in Germany. The number there is:2595963 km

In reality the length of each river is measured from it's estuary. For bigger waterways in Germany you see a sign every kilometer with a number. The number is the distance in kilometers to the estuary of that waterway.

rmc · 2 years ago
> For bigger rivers that I'm familiar with I was not able to make sense of that number. […] Maybe it's the total length of that waterway and all connected waterways?

Correct.

(I made WaterwayMap.org)

rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
jkubicek · 2 years ago
The "Navigable by canoe" filter seems to filter out everything, which is a bummer, because I've always wondered how far up into the Sierras I could drop a canoe and still be able to paddle back to the bay area.
rmc · 2 years ago
> “The "Navigable by canoe" filter seems to filter out everything”

The data is 100% from OpenStreetMap. That map only looks at things with the `canoe` tag in OSM. There are a lot of waterways in OSM which do not have this tag. If you know of missing data, you can just edit OSM and it'll show up on WWM.org tomorrow!

(I made WaterwayMap.org)

rmc commented on Waterway Map   waterwaymap.org... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
Mr-Frog · 2 years ago
In the USA, this is likely sourced from the National Hydrography Dataset:

https://www.usgs.gov/national-hydrography/national-hydrograp...

rmc · 2 years ago
Nope, it's 100% OpenStreetMap data.

(I made WaterwayMap.org)

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