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rdm_blackhole commented on Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month   theverge.com/tech/875309/... · Posted by u/x01
shantara · 2 days ago
Many EU countries provide digital frameworks for privacy preserving age verification. Yet, Discord made an active choice to avoid using them and is asking the users to upload their photos and ids.
rdm_blackhole · a day ago
Those same methods of identification are created by the same people who just a few months ago were arguing if it was legal to read all your private messages in case you are criminal of some sort without warrant , without due process. You'll understand if I don't trust them.
rdm_blackhole commented on Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month   theverge.com/tech/875309/... · Posted by u/x01
littlecranky67 · a day ago
This is just pointless whataboutism. There are smart devs and crypto experts designing a sound, privacy-friendly system that is open source. It does what is supposed to do and how everybody would want it to be implemented. Yet people reject it on irrational grounds for whatever negative aspect they associate the EU with.
rdm_blackhole · a day ago
It's funny how pointing a fact is called whataboutism.

You trust the EU's pinky promise a keep their word that your ID will be safe and secure and never tied to what you say, the content of your messages or who you send them to. If that is so, then go ahead and use it. That's your business.

> whatever negative aspect

The EU literally wants to read your personal messages because it doesn't trust that you are not some criminal in disguise. Instead of the state having to prove that you are criminal breaking the law, it wants to read everything you send and store the data permanently in case you break the law one day. If you think that is acceptable and that is an entity that can be trusted, then I don't know what to tell you.

rdm_blackhole commented on Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month   theverge.com/tech/875309/... · Posted by u/x01
Gud · 2 days ago
Absolutely. Social media and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race. Ban it for everyone.
rdm_blackhole · a day ago
What happens when the governments around the world decide to ban something that you care about? Will you be so eager to agree with them or will you cry that your rights and your freedom are being taken away?

Don't like social media, fine, nobody is forcing you to use it.

rdm_blackhole commented on Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month   theverge.com/tech/875309/... · Posted by u/x01
cedws · a day ago
I understand the frustration towards Discord, especially because this is a global rollout of a policy they're only required to enforce in specific countries, but it's IMO misdirected. They're likely trying to get ahead of the legislation. The way the winds are blowing indicates the Western governments that haven't already passed legislation mandating ID verification soon will.

You can move to $ALT_PLATFORM but unless it's self hosted they'll eventually have to enforce the same policy.

Direct your anger at the geriatrics in government who don't understand the risks of these laws first. You only have to watch the TikTok CEO's hearing in Congress to see how American politicians don't understand technology.

rdm_blackhole · a day ago
> Direct your anger at the geriatrics in government who don't understand the risks of these laws first.

No offence but I think you are being extremely naive if you think that the people in power and the lobbyists who have spent the last 10 years relentlessly pushing for ID verification online and mass content scanning in the US and in the EU do not know what they are doing.

Here is the thing, most people are increasingly unhappy about the way things are going whether they are on the right or the left of the political spectrum. Governments can see that and don't want to see what happened in Nepal recently repeat itself. So they are getting ahead of the curve.

First require everyone to ID themselves online, then tie everything you say to your ID then use that against you one day if you decide that enough is enough.

The western countries are looking at what China is doing and simply iterating on it. They wrap it in a nit little bow to either "fight terrorism" TM or "protect the children" TM.

This is a pure power play meant to save their asses and the people who have been warning that this was always going to be going in that direction have been ridiculed and called conspiracy nuts but here we are.

Look at OFCOM in the UK. First it was to protect children form porn. Now they are looking to expand their powers to moderate speech online based on what THEY think is acceptable. If the EU gets it's way, you'll have client scanning in all messaging apps across the EU. And it won't stop.

This sort of thing is never about protecting kids, reducing harm or whatever they call it. It's about control about what you see, what you write, all done with the purpose to determine if you as an individual will become a problem for them in the future.

rdm_blackhole commented on Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month   theverge.com/tech/875309/... · Posted by u/x01
littlecranky67 · a day ago
The EU is working on a actual privacy-preserving initiative [0] that allows owners of ID wallets to verify their age, without their actual age or personal data being transmitted. The standard and reference implementations are open source on GitHub. Yet everybody screams uploading IDs and total government surveillance.

[0]: https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/spaces/EU...

rdm_blackhole · a day ago
The same EU that is trying to backdoor every messaging app to "protect the children" TM? I 'll use their ID system on my dead body.
rdm_blackhole commented on Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month   theverge.com/tech/875309/... · Posted by u/x01
seneca · 2 days ago
We're going to need decentralized open source alternatives with E2EE for any major communication services, unfortunately. It's just too temping of a target for Governments. They're never going to give up trying to destroy anonymity online.
rdm_blackhole · 2 days ago
They already exists except that most people don't know about it and also it is extremely hard to move over all the existing users from Whatsapp to something less popular and less user friendly.

Until that changes, then the governments around the world are going to keep pushing to get access to all our messages in order to "protect the children" TM and ask you to prove that "you are not a child" TM

rdm_blackhole commented on Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month   theverge.com/tech/875309/... · Posted by u/x01
rdm_blackhole · 2 days ago
> When big tech tosses money at Republicans and the Trump inauguration, they get what they paid for.

This has nothing to do with republicans in particular. This is concerted effort by lobbying groups around the world who want to get more of your data.

Case and point: all the EU countries that are currently banning teens from using messaging services and social media apps which can only be enforced if you force everyone using these services to provide some form of ID to prove that you are allowed to use them.

Not too mention the EU itself trying force a backdoor into every messaging app "to protect the children".

Be mad at the US politicians if you want but just know that the situation is not better in the EU, on the contrary it's going downhill very fast and that has nothing to do with Trump.

rdm_blackhole commented on Every country should set 16 as the minimum age for social media accounts   afterbabel.com/p/why-ever... · Posted by u/paulpauper
rdm_blackhole · a month ago
I am surprised to see the positive takes on this sort of thing on HN considering that we all know that is just the first step of many steps that the current governments worldwide are rolling out.

Once we agree to that, then next time, you'll need to upload your ID to do something else and by the way you don't mind proving that you are not a psychopath and/or a sexual predator if you want to keep using WhatsApp/Telegram and other services?

You also don't mind if we scan your private messages now, do you? We just want to make sure that you are are not some sort of extremist/activist or someone who might cause trouble.

The slippery slope is real.

We look down at China, Russia and Iran for silencing the voices of the protesters and dissidents but we are slowly building the infrastructure that will enable future governments to do just that in the future.

Once everything is locked down and tied to your real ID, then it will be extremely easy to suppress view points or things that any government left or right doesnt want to see spread in the wild. What then?

And those who say, well, we should just wait and see what happens in Australia because if it doesn't work out then we can always turn it off or something, my question to you is when have you seen a government go back on something like this?

rdm_blackhole commented on UK secures record supply of offshore wind projects   bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c... · Posted by u/ljf
iamcalledrob · a month ago
It's not an either-or.

Price and energy independence are both important. Renewables are an important way to both (1) drive long-term cost down and (2) reduce reliance on foreign states.

I wouldn't say Labour have failed here. In fact, efforts like this are steps towards lowering prices. Let's see what the long-term trend is. Prices aren't going to plummet overnight.

rdm_blackhole · a month ago
> It's not an either-or.

I understand but I am telling you that this argument is basically useless when people see their bill at the end of each month.

> I wouldn't say Labour have failed here. In fact, efforts like this are steps towards lowering prices.

I don't mind splitting hairs when necessary but you are clearly not arguing in good faith. Labour pledge repeatedly that it would lower the prices by hundreds of pounds each year for good and this has not happened and Labour is running out of time.

If the promise could not be delivered on, why make it? That is just giving ammunition to the other parties who will use it against them not to mention make them look like liars.

rdm_blackhole commented on UK secures record supply of offshore wind projects   bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c... · Posted by u/ljf
Nursie · a month ago
While a bill reduction is definitely useful and important for the people of the UK, energy independence is also important for the nation.

Exposure to international fossil fuel markets has been a problem for many nations in recent years, as turmoil upsets supply. And greater energy independence also means handing less money over to countries and governments with conflicting defence goals.

rdm_blackhole · a month ago
> energy independence is also important for the nation.

None of this matters to people who can't afford to heat their homes in the winter.

The price reduction was a Labour campaign promise and on that front it has failed dramatically.

This is why people lose trusts in politicians and what has fueled the rise of the far right across Europe, when politicians make promises that they know they won't be able to keep.

u/rdm_blackhole

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