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rapsey commented on QuitGPT – OpenAI Execs Are Trump's Biggest Donors   quitgpt.org/... · Posted by u/robin_reala
oytis · 6 days ago
Who kicked out whom? I might be missing some context here, to me it were tech bosses who turned to Trump after he won or after it was clear he was about to win.
rapsey · 6 days ago
Democrats turned on Elon during covid, as he was against lockdowns. This spread into wide distrust and complete sidelining and antagonism towards tech during the Biden administration. You can hear about it from Ben and Marc on their a16z podcast, when they explained why they are endorsing Trump.

This was despite the tech community being predominantly democrats. They turned to Trump, because the democrats shut them out completely and in some cases were highly antagonistic (crypto and elon companies).

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rapsey commented on QuitGPT – OpenAI Execs Are Trump's Biggest Donors   quitgpt.org/... · Posted by u/robin_reala
piva00 · 6 days ago
Why use the loaded term anti-business when very, very few on the "left" of the USA are actually anti-business-commies-socialise-everything?

From my perspective at most there are attempts to curtail business practices untethered to any morality, which should be a net-positive for society. A completely theoretical pro-business political body would remove any and all obstacles to business: environmental regulations, labour protection, taxation, financial oversight, so on and so forth, I believe we can agree that such move would be detrimental to society at large while making businesses extremely rich, right?

The shift of framing that any attempt to curtail the bad downsides/externalities of untethered capitalism is being "anti-business" is either ignorant, misleading, or purely furthering an agenda. There's no way for capitalism to survive without oversight, its incentives are to minmax on a race to the bottom on anything possible that could give a business an edge, without rules around that the benefits of such a system are completely eroded, you create social fractures that are reflected into politics, exactly what's been happening in the USA even before Trump 1.

Perhaps this aggressive stance on being pro-business is part of the issue, and pursuing it above all else has steadily shown that society at large doesn't improve even though it fosters consumption, assets inflation, and the key economic metrics used to sell this idea.

While this stance is pursued the political power keeps getting accumulated into the hands of an elite detached from reality, uncaring for any social aspect since there's absolutely no moral incentive to think about the social contract when you can live in an ivory tower with the scales tilted to your favour, and among others like you who also don't care about any aspect that can make the life in society better for all. Improvements to society at large are coincidental, not intentional.

Capitalism is amoral, we need mechanisms that imbue some morality to it to avoid social fractures, the core issue is finding that line to balance, and which keeps shifting and needs iterative processes to rebalance when needed. The extremist version of pro-business-nothing-else-matters is clearly not the way you find a balance on anything, like any extremism it's almost by definition wrong when meeting reality.

rapsey · 6 days ago
> A completely theoretical pro-business political body would remove any and all obstacles to business: environmental regulations, labour protection, taxation, financial oversight, so on and so forth, I believe we can agree that such move would be detrimental to society at large while making businesses extremely rich, right?

This assumes that all obstacles and regulations are to the benefit of the environment and people and that the regulation results in intended consequences.

In modern western countries regulation is very often ideological and actively harms the populace and economy. Case in point Germany and their green and anti nuclear hysteria, which resulted in total reliance on coal.

rapsey commented on QuitGPT – OpenAI Execs Are Trump's Biggest Donors   quitgpt.org/... · Posted by u/robin_reala
throwawaysleep · 6 days ago
What I don't understand is why the Democrats don't just come out hard against AI at this point. It is unpopular and the tech titans are openly Republicans.
rapsey · 6 days ago
The tech titans are openly republicans because the democrats kicked them out.
rapsey commented on QuitGPT – OpenAI Execs Are Trump's Biggest Donors   quitgpt.org/... · Posted by u/robin_reala
ahoka · 6 days ago
There's practically no "left" in the US.
rapsey · 6 days ago
You are just playing a word game. The democrats are the left in the political arena of the US. If they are not what the left would be in some other country or what someone thinks the left should be is meaningless.
rapsey commented on QuitGPT – OpenAI Execs Are Trump's Biggest Donors   quitgpt.org/... · Posted by u/robin_reala
simianwords · 6 days ago
I think this is the direct consequence of the left being anti business. From Sam's previous writings, it doesn't seem like he was or is a huge Trump fan.
rapsey · 6 days ago
The left also specifically turned against AI, big tech and data center build out. They would be crazy not to go all in on the republican party just like Elon did.

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