lol good luck
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pwillia7 commented on History LLMs: Models trained exclusively on pre-1913 texts github.com/DGoettlich/his... · Posted by u/iamwil
> Which technology did we successfully roll back?
Quite a few come to mind: chemical and biological weapons, beanie babies, NFTs, garbage pail kids... Some take real effort to eradicate, some die out when people get bored and move on.
Today's version of "AI," i.e. large language models for emitting code, is on the level of fast fashion. It's novel and surprising that you can get a shirt for $5, then you realize that it's made in a sweatshop, and it falls apart after a few washings. There will always be a market for low-quality clothes, but they aren't "disrupting non-nudity."
Chemical weapons still exist and are used[1]
So are beanie babies, NFTs and garbage pail kids -- Things that have fallen out of fashion isn't the same thing as eradicating a technology. I think that's part of the difficulty, how could you roll back knowledge without some Khmer Rouge generational trauma?
I think about the original use of steam engines and the industrial revolution -- Steam engines were so inefficient, their use didn't make sense outside of pulling its own fuel out of the ground -- Many people said haha look how silly and inefficient this robot labor is. We can see how that all turned out.[2]
1: https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/timeline-syrian-chemi...
2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomen_atmospheric_engine
Jenny, please try to conduct yourself with some sense of decorum here -- These are real people you're bullying. This isn't a hatemonger platform like some of the others. Please try to do better
I mean, luddites have consistently been correct. Technological advancements have consistently been used to benefit the rich at the expense of regular people.
The early Industrial Revolution that the original Luddites objected to resulted in horrible working conditions and a power shift from artisans to factory workers.
Dadism was a reaction to WWI where the aristocracy's greed and petty squabbling led to 17 million deaths.
I don't disagree with that, just that there's anything that can be done about it. Which technology did we successfully roll back? Nukes are the closest I think you can get and those are very hard to make and still exist in abundance, we just somewhat controlled who can have them
This guy's knowledge of art history is the Dada wikipedia page and the Banksy movie from 20 years ago.
Allow me to repeat myself: AI is for idiots.
Since you're a real established artist, I want to make my point more clear: I am not an artist and while AI image tools let me make fun pictures and not be reliant on artists for projects, it doesn't imbue me with the creativity to create artistic works that _move_ people or comment on our society. AI doesn't give or take that from you, and I argue that is what truly separates art and artists from doodles and doodlers.
This guy's knowledge of art history is the Dada wikipedia page and the Banksy movie from 20 years ago.
Allow me to repeat myself: AI is for idiots.
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Just normal Luddite things, which attracts those most threatened in their personal identity by the new technology.
You see it obviously with the artists and image/video generators too.
We did this with Dadaism and Impressionism and photography before this too with art.
Ultimately, it's just more abstraction that we have to get used to -- art is stuff people create with their human expression.
It is funny to see everyone argue so vehemently without any interest in the same arguments that happened in the past.
Exit through the giftshop is a good movie that explores that topic too, though with near-plagiarized mass production, not LLMs, but I guess that's pretty similar too!
https://daily.jstor.org/when-photography-was-not-art/
pwillia7 commented on History LLMs: Models trained exclusively on pre-1913 texts github.com/DGoettlich/his... · Posted by u/iamwil
>Imagine having a conversation with someone genuinely from the period, where they don’t know the “end of the story”.
Isn't this part of the basics feature of human conditions? Not only we are all unaware of the coming historic outcome (though we can get some big points with more or less good guesses), but to a marginally variable extend, we are also very unaware of past and present history.
LLM are not aware, but they can be trained on larger historical accounts than any human and regurgitate syntactically correct summary on any point within it. Very different kind of utterer.
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pwillia7 commented on History LLMs: Models trained exclusively on pre-1913 texts github.com/DGoettlich/his... · Posted by u/iamwil
“Time-locked models don't roleplay; they embody their training data. Ranke-4B-1913 doesn't know about WWI because WWI hasn't happened in its textual universe. It can be surprised by your questions in ways modern LLMs cannot.”
“Modern LLMs suffer from hindsight contamination. GPT-5 knows how the story ends—WWI, the League's failure, the Spanish flu.”
This is really fascinating. As someone who reads a lot of history and historical fiction I think this is really intriguing. Imagine having a conversation with someone genuinely from the period, where they don’t know the “end of the story”.
This is why the impersonation stuff is so interesting with LLMs -- If you ask chatGPT a question without a 'right' answer, and then tell it to embody someone you really want to ask that question to, you'll get a better answer with the impersonation. Now, is this the same phenomenon that causes people to lose their minds with the LLMs? Possibly. Is it really cool asking followup philosophy questions to the LLM Dalai Lama after reading his book? Yes.