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praveeninpublic · 5 months ago
Everyone’s talking about how ChatGPT is dumbing us down. It might be true, but TikTok, reels, bangers on X, and meme culture are doing something worse: shrinking our vocabulary and, with it, our capacity to think.

My son couldn’t name a feeling, so he threw a tantrum. Two days later, he found the word. And the tantrums stopped.

That moment taught me what many forget: language is how we think, feel, and regulate our inner lives. This post is about how we're quietly losing that: The death of depth.

praveeninpublic commented on AI Keeps Making Beautiful Images. That's the Problem   praveen.io/posts/ai-keeps... · Posted by u/praveeninpublic
praveeninpublic · 7 months ago
AI Is Getting Better. That’s Exactly the Problem.

Every time the model “gets it right,” something strange happens. You start trusting it more. You stop questioning what feels off. You begin to settle. And that’s where your skill atrophy goes to die.

Do not settle and become a curator, if you are using AI, ensure you are the one who is creating.

praveeninpublic commented on Why your art sucks and AI-art is better   praveen.io/posts/this-is-... · Posted by u/praveeninpublic
rvzx · 7 months ago
I want, and I think you might agree, for you to be the best Praveen Kumar you can be. To produce meaningful, valuable work that represents your taste. Is your current perspective getting you there?

I think you might be wrong about why people are dismissive of AI art.

Creating effective prompts is a truly valuable skill. It's one that writers and leaders have had to learn for centuries. But it was different; we used to only prompt biological neural networks.

Generating quality AI art is a skill! But it's a writing skill and a critical thinking skill, not a visual art skill.

Previously those of us without skill but plenty of taste would prompt artists to produce what we couldn't.

I'm reading through your other posts and I think you might agree with me in principle and that you might argue that this doesn't apply to you.

As you say: "This isn't about replacing creativity. It's about finally being able to complete something that was trapped inside my head and the skills that I needed to have a polished outcome is partly non-existent."

I relate to this, and I think that's exactly how we should be using generative models. Augmentation that helps us achieve our goals more effectively than we could alone.

Previously we did this through things like apprenticeships, artist collectives, and other person-to-person collaboration. I don't think those things should go away. I do think we can get even better at producing art by including generative models in the collaboration process.

But I'm skeptical that you are truly achieving your goals.

"I don't outsource my work, not my creativity."

You did. You did outsource your work. To a tool.

Is this bad? I don't think so. It happens in all creative work.

Is it understandable to me that people would be dismissive? Absolutely.

Here's the challenge: to really get people's attention now we have to produce work that is at least as compelling as the very best art that can be generated by models. And really? We need our creations to exceed what current generative models can do.

We need to do this to be successful as artists. We also need to do this so that when the next batch of models are being trained – with or without our consent – they will produce higher quality work.

As I'm looking through the pages of Meditation at the End of the Universe I'm seeing some really nice imagery. I'm not seeing work that I'd deem impressive without using generative models. This is subjective! My opinion doesn't really matter! But I think this might be what other people are seeing as well.

Feeding a stack of art like this to a model in training is not likely to improve its abilities. There are layout and clarity issues. There are glaring color and typography issues. There is a feeling of heavy-handedness, of mismatch between concept and presentation, of gratuitousness. A lack of constraint or refinement.

This is not a bad work. It's an early work. And that's a really good thing.

But I need to say something very direct.

Your blog post is not good. It shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

This is why people are dismissive.

This blog post shows very clearly the thing that your artistic work hints at: you need more experience.

This isn't a bad thing. It's completely normal.

But a blog post like this? Counterproductive at best.

This work is still not matching the expectations people have for an impressive graphic novel with or without the use of generative models.

That's totally okay. It doesn't have to.

But you need to hear that generative models are providing a false sense of achievement, and that there are artistic skills that you still need to learn to produce really great generative art.

I want you to produce the best Praveen-style work that you can.

Bruh, this ain't it.

Keep going.

praveeninpublic · 7 months ago
Thanks for taking the time to write such a thoughtful response. It’s rare to get this kind of engagement, especially from someone on the other side of the AI-art conversation.

You’re right about a lot: the work is early, it’s rough in places, and there’s still a lot I’m figuring out. But what looks like lack of polish to you feels like forward motion to me. The alternative isn’t mastery. It’s paralysis. I’d rather be making progress than waiting for perfect conditions that may never come.

You called the blog post counterproductive. I don’t think it was. Without it, I wouldn’t have sparked a discussion like this. The post wasn’t trying to make a universal claim, it was just me writing down what I noticed, and trying to understand the reactions I got. That’s been useful.

I get that the work doesn’t meet everyone's standards. Some call it lazy because I used AI. Others call it unfinished because I didn’t use AI enough. That tension is actually what I’m exploring, how to use these tools just enough to get the work closer to what I see in my head, without losing the part that feels like me.

I’m not building this for a gallery. I’m building a record of progress. A timeline. Something I can look back on and say, "I made that, and I kept going".

I might not agree with everything you said. But I’m paying attention. And I’m still drawing.

I am running a 90 days challenge to learn, explore, challenge my past beliefs and build systems that will help me accelerate. If you're interested, you can follow me here on X: https://x.com/PraveenInPublic/status/1917824031660859667

praveeninpublic commented on Why your art sucks and AI-art is better   praveen.io/posts/this-is-... · Posted by u/praveeninpublic
WorldPeas · 7 months ago
>guy creates bad art, doesn't want to practice

>ai is able to skip right to the middle of the skill range, but original user has no capacity to modify the work and it doesn't have a distinct style

art is about doing less and making people think. What you did here "gets the job done" it is not, and never will be great. Maybe that's the point, there is a place for that.

praveeninpublic · 7 months ago
“Doing less and making people think” is exactly what I did.

I did something quick and made the readers of my graphic novel think rather than worry whether my art was real or AI.

praveeninpublic commented on Why your art sucks and AI-art is better   praveen.io/posts/this-is-... · Posted by u/praveeninpublic
praveeninpublic · 7 months ago
What happens when we mistake bias for taste in a world where anyone can create?

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