orang2tang (u/orang2tang)

orang2tang commented on How Can We Create a Manual for Civilization? (2017) longnow.org/ideas/02017/0... · Posted by u/throw0101c

ben_w · 3 years ago

I find it curious that anyone can be so reductionist.

It reminds me of highschool, where, while waiting for a teacher to arrive, another student declared to me that they "knew the chemical formula for a human" and then just listed six or seven elements without any regard for (1) that's not what a chemical formula is, nor (2) a human isn't a single chemical, nor (3) all the other elements in a human body.

What you're listing (clearly inspired by the ten commandments) wasn't sufficient for Judaism, Christianity, or Islam, even though at least two of those rose to dominance within preexisting civilisations that had a whole bunch of extra rules.

Those other rules included things like "pork goes off really fast in a desert so just don't even risk it" and "when we said don't kill other people we weren't talking about those specific foreign soldiers currently waving their spears around" and "crop rotation is good".

More recent things that the linked story is talking about includes "how to help women give birth without dying".

orang2tang · 3 years ago

>another student declared to me that they "knew the chemical formula for a human"

Maybe he was just joking around?

orang2tang commented on I Choose Optimism secularhumanism.org/2022/... · Posted by u/headalgorithm

Cthulhu_ · 3 years ago

Christianity falls apart if there is no fear or belief in repercussions after death.

Why not just be a decent person without being threatened? It's how the majority of people in the world do things.

orang2tang · 3 years ago

You misunderstand Christianity in the way most people do.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." - Ephesians 2:9

"know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified." - Galatians 2:16

So Christianity is simply placing your faith in Jesus Christ. If you believe that God forgave your sins at the behest of Christ, and that you will enter an eternal kingdom also as a son of God, wouldn't you eventually be more liable to forgive and love others?

So being good is a side-effect, not the point, of Christianity. God will not let me enter heaven because of how good I am, and if that was the measure none of us would make it. The point of Christianity is to know God and have faith that through Christ's death on the cross, burial, and resurrection, he can impart the mercy of God onto you. That he quite literally died for every sin everyone had ever committed.

“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” - 2 Corinthians 5:21

orang2tang commented on I Choose Optimism secularhumanism.org/2022/... · Posted by u/headalgorithm

boxed · 3 years ago

Admitting your stance is lunacy isn't a defense. You should instead ponder why you believe absurdities.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire (ish). This is the most important quote about how to live in the world. It explains Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, but also the mass rape done by the Catholic Church, 9/11, the current climate change crisis, and on and on. It's the Grand Unified Theory of atrocities.

orang2tang · 3 years ago

if (the_world_is_evil && the_world_hates_the_word_of_god && the_world_hated_jesus_enough_to_kill_him_despite_him_doing_nothing_wrong ){

console.log("maybe it's something you should look into");

}

So if you care so much about evil you should ask yourself, who was the only person to walk the Earth who had no evil. That would be Jesus. And what did Jesus say? He said he was God, and quoted the old testament that correctly spoke of his coming.

Shouldn't you look into it?

orang2tang commented on I Choose Optimism secularhumanism.org/2022/... · Posted by u/headalgorithm

boxed · 3 years ago

There is no threat, unless you do exactly what I say.

Yea, that's the threat.

> I should note that I used to have the same opinion as you! No judgement!

Common thing to hear. I have never believed anyone has ever gone from a strong atheist who reads the bible and can so obviously see the cruelty and madness, and then suddenly turn around and become a christian apologist? It's just as believable as the bible in the first place.

orang2tang · 3 years ago

>There is no threat, unless you do exactly what I say.

You do your taxes every year so you can avoid jail time. But you won't simply call out to Jesus Christ with a true heart and ask for salvation?

Think about it! That's all it takes!

orang2tang commented on I Choose Optimism secularhumanism.org/2022/... · Posted by u/headalgorithm

boxed · 3 years ago

Btw, if you are honestly trying to sell christianity, don't say stuff like "realize their very nature offends God (because he is perfect so anything less than perfect is an offense to him)" or "the circumcision of the heart" (lol!).

> So for you I would say you're blinded by the problem of hell.

I'm "blinded" by the threat of torture for the majority of humans? I don't think you can be "blinded" by such an atrocity that makes Hitler look like a total wimp. You are LITERALLY claiming that ALL jews that were killed by Hitler will be reincarnated by God and then tortured. And of course all other Jews, past and present. And all atheists, muslims, sheiks, hindus.

And somehow you can't see the problem...

orang2tang · 3 years ago

I'll only respond to your first part since solving the problem of hell differs from person to person.

>don't say stuff like "the circumcision of the heart" (lol!).

This is not a term I made, it's biblical. And as my post says I'm aware the entire gospel is foolish to unbelievers, and the Bible and God is aware of that. That's the basic hurdle of accepting the gospel.

"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."

1 Corinthians 23-25

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"

1 Corinthians 27

"At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."

Matthew 11:25

orang2tang commented on I Choose Optimism secularhumanism.org/2022/... · Posted by u/headalgorithm

boxed · 3 years ago

> The whole point is that God loves his people enough to save them, the Church will expand, and Christ will return in glory.

ish. It also promises that not even death is an escape, but that God will raise all the dead and judge an enormous majority to be literally thrown into a valley of fire.

Reading the Bible I see more of a threat, than a promise.

orang2tang · 3 years ago

But just as sin entered the world through one man, it was defeated through one man as well, Jesus Christ. There is no condemnation for anyone who believes in Jesus. So being saved from hell is quite simple, which is why it's called "the good news" or the gospel. And that's God's plan for humanity, and he's begging you to simply seek this man named Jesus.

God's wisdom is made that much more powerful in what some might call foolishness, just as he prescribed circumcision to the Jews. Abraham was required to put off his pride and simply believe God, that circumcision was a commandment from God for the Jews, and this faith in God is what saves. You don't think Abraham received a lot of judgement for prescribing circumcision?

Just as Christians receive judgement for prescribing the new circumcision, which is the circumcision of the heart to believe in Jesus Christ. It requires people to put off their pride, realize their very nature offends God (because he is perfect so anything less than perfect is an offense to him) and repent of their unbelief in the only begotten son of God, who knew our same struggles here on Earth and was killed without reason so that we could live. This belief covers our heads from wrath, because now when God looks at us he sees Christ.

So it's called the good news because it is. We can defeat death and enter into an unimaginable state of perfection. What I find with people who don't believe is that they're blinded by what they think Christianity is. So for you I would say you're blinded by the problem of hell. But if God tells us it is real, that is true and you have no say in the matter. Your belief or unbelief doesn't change the truth of the word of God. God is above politics, above human wisdom, and also above the people that claim his name.

I should note that I used to have the same opinion as you! No judgement!

orang2tang commented on Teams is killing my Mac every day techcommunity.microsoft.c... · Posted by u/sogen

smoldesu · 3 years ago

They're using an i9 16" Macbook Pro. I don't mean to split hairs here, but if there's a single modern Mac advocate who will say that it's not a hardware issue then I suggest idling one of those machines with Safari open. You'll have no problem rocketing past 45c with barely anything open!

orang2tang · 3 years ago

I had one for work and it would get so hot that it would freeze just browsing with a few browsing tabs and Teams open. Not every single time but enough to be annoying. Fastest spec laptop I have ever owned and also the slowest.