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nonrandomstring commented on How scrolling becomes a religious act   etymology.substack.com/p/... · Posted by u/ZeroTalent
keiferski · 7 months ago
I really dislike these posts that are clearly written by someone unfamiliar with religion as a topic, and just use “worship” or “religion” as synonyms for “being obsessed with something to an irrational degree.” That isn’t an accurate description of the concept of religion, nor is it a synonym of irrational. Religion is probably one of the most complex yet misunderstood areas of study today.

Phones are no more worshipped in a religious sense than printed Bibles were worshipped in Gutenberg’s era. They are technological vectors for idea transfer that facilitate ideologies/worldviews/religions, not those things themselves. Being distracted by your phone doesn’t come with an entire metaphysical picture about the nature of life and death, proper social roles, or most of the other things religious systems typically come with.

Also - Durkheim is name dropped here, with the incorrect tense (he doesn’t argue, he argued, as he’s been dead for a long time.)

nonrandomstring · 7 months ago
> I really dislike these posts that are clearly written by someone unfamiliar with religion as a topic

I wonder how much academic familiarity one really needs to recognise the rather obvious vernacular effects. I've studied religion and mass communication effects somewhat as well as being a practising Christian, and as I see it the word "religion" commonly applies to the orthodoxy and its big, visible impacts that are social and psychological, rather than the personal, spiritual realm of gnostic metaphysical faith.

The OP seems right in the sense that the SV technology cargo cult has all the bad mind-narrowing sides of orthodoxy and none of the good. Observe; suspension of critical thinking, credulity, superstition, arcane symbolism, charismatic leaders, secret knowledge, obsessive rituals and tics, insularity, smug self-righteous and strident proselytising, attacking and denigrating "unbelievers", defensiveness, fear of exclusion, dehumanisation of others, mass hysteria....

Digital tech (smartphones plus corporate social media), as presently configured, presses all the same buttons for psychological and societal harm that cults have for millennia. Moreover, it so pitifully fails to offer any positive social benefits, like a sense of real community, shared values, comfort and stability, or certainty. Instead it overlays a shallow and unreal facsimile of those things. "Idolatry" is probably a great way to frame it.

Like historical religions it spawns a super-wealthy elite who exploit the confused masses. It has a small cadre of extremely vocal "true believers", disciples and acolytes, who cajole and bully along the enormous middle mass who are actually ambivalent "pretenders", technological agnostics who mostly can't be bothered to argue. They go along to get along, to avoid feeling persecuted ("left behind" - the modern equivalent of Hell).

Real religions may span thousands of years and have subtantial continuity, but cult-tech presents a flimsy facade of being "deep, essential, enduring and universal". In reality, any thoughtful computer scientist can tell you, it's a heterogeneous assemblage of the arbitrary or, as Graeber observed, a world we can "remake in any way we choose".

Working in cybersecurity, carefully observing genuine attitudes in peoples' unguarded moments - in contrast to their "official/professional" positions - makes me sure that were the entire telecommunications network of the planet to explode tomorrow, other than for food riots as payment and supply chains adjust, most people would have one bad week, shrug, and get on with the next thing. That's to say "it's all a game" but one that we're all very, very invested in trying to preserve... to the extent we're prepared to terrorise others into sharing our worldview to keep it so. Isn't that a sure hallmark of a religion?

nonrandomstring commented on Experts have it easy (2024)   boydkane.com/essays/exper... · Posted by u/veqq
nonrandomstring · 7 months ago
Essay touches on an important point that I also discovered along my research journey; Much of the knowledge of experts is ineffable [0]. And so here's the problem with present "AI". It contains no ineffable knowledge, because that knowledge is never symbolically expressed and cannot be inferred from what is expressed. In fact the "official" narrative often disguises the real knowledge.

This is what the analytical elicitation stage of expert systems [1] was supposed to address (a now mature but presently unfashionable branch of "AI").

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ineffability

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_system

nonrandomstring commented on The AI Hype Is Designed to Exploit Your Insecurity   tawandamunongo.dev/posts/... · Posted by u/elcapithanos
nonrandomstring · 7 months ago
Notable line:

"framing the narrative around the technology is far more important than the technology itself"

We're on the umpteenth cycle of this and we all seem very slow to learn the pattern. I tried to express it in "Chindogu" [0] but since then "AI" hype has taken the fake technological narrative to a whole new level.

[0] https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/chindogu/

nonrandomstring commented on Rutger Bregman Wants to Save Elites from Their Wasted Lives   nytimes.com/2025/05/17/ma... · Posted by u/mitchbob
GianFabien · 7 months ago
Yet another opinionated fluff piece about somebody intent to telling others what they should be doing instead of walking the talk and demonstrating by effective actions.
nonrandomstring · 7 months ago
You claim the exact opposite of what the author wrote.

   " the reason I wrote this book was that I became frustrated with
   myself...  You write books to convince people of certain opinions
   and then you hope that some other people do the actual work of
   making the world better... I experienced this emotion that I
   describe as moral envy: You're standing on the sidelines and
   wishing, gosh, wouldn't it be awesome to be in the arena? To
   actually have skin in the game? "
"Moral ambition" isn't for the faint-hearted or superficially "successful". You actually have to do stuff. Take a road less travelled. Eat your own dogfood. Make sacrifices and live by principles you espouse. Very few are authentic, courageous and determined in this regard and "successful" within our culture which actively rewards moral delinquency... bar a very few rare diamonds; for example Anita Roddick [0] who led the first wave of environmental, fair-trade ethics in beauty retail.

Besides, I think these are foundational personality traits ... very difficult to "learn/add-on/fake" later in life. So I think the author wastes time appealing to "elites" already saddled by their shameless immorality. Those panged by deathbed "philanthropic" regrets, fretting on their "moral legacy" or place in eternity - having spent their whole lives shitting on the world to get ahead - are a tough, niche audience. Better to speak to younger people who are not yet soured, who have not yet become extremely fearful of taking social risk or jeapordising their "career". If you're under 25 and questioning what "successful" maens, this could be a life-changing book.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Roddick

nonrandomstring commented on A Tiny Boltzmann Machine   eoinmurray.info/boltzmann... · Posted by u/anomancer
gopalv · 7 months ago
> recognise the shape of a scored note, minim, crotchet, quaver on a 5 x 9 dot grid

Reading music off a lined page sounds like a fun project, particularly to do it from scratch like 3Blue1Brown's number NN example[1].

Mix with something like Chuck[2] and you can write a completely clientside application with today's tech.

[1] - https://www.3blue1brown.com/lessons/neural-networks

[2] - https://chuck.stanford.edu/

nonrandomstring · 7 months ago
Thanks for these links. You're right, I think computer-vision "sight reading" is now a fairly done deal. Very impressive progress in the past 30 years.
nonrandomstring commented on A Tiny Boltzmann Machine   eoinmurray.info/boltzmann... · Posted by u/anomancer
bwestergard · 7 months ago
Did the output sound musical?
nonrandomstring · 7 months ago
For small values of "music"? Really, no. But tbh, neither have more advanced "AI" composition experiments I've encountered over the years, Markov models, linear predictive coding, genetic/evolutionary algs, rule based systems, and now modern diffusion and transormers... they all lack the "spirit of jazz" [0]

[0] https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/84/79/e484792971cc77ddff8f...

nonrandomstring commented on A Tiny Boltzmann Machine   eoinmurray.info/boltzmann... · Posted by u/anomancer
nonrandomstring · 7 months ago
This takes me back. 1990, building Boltzman machines and Perceptrons from arrays of void pointers to "neurons" in plain C. What did we use "AI" for back then? To guess the next note in a MIDI melody, and to recognise the shape of a scored note, minim, crotchet, quaver on a 5 x 9 dot grid. 85% accuracy was "good enough" then.
nonrandomstring commented on What Is Sasig?   cybershow.uk/episodes.php... · Posted by u/nonrandomstring
nonrandomstring · 8 months ago
Spoiler: Security Awareness Special Interest Group. We spoke to the founder. Interesting inights about sales and community based trust networks.
nonrandomstring commented on The curse of knowing how, or; fixing everything   notashelf.dev/posts/curse... · Posted by u/Lunar5227
PixelForg · 8 months ago
Hopefully the future me is able to relate to this, because I really feel like I'm in a rut when it comes to working on personal projects.

I have many ideas that I want to build, but I'd have to learn new languages, yet I just can't sit and go through the documentation every day like I should. Still haven't finished the rust book.

The other way is start building already, and if you come across a block, then learn about that thing and move on, but I feel uncomfortable having gaps in my knowledge, AI exists but I don't want to use it to generate code for me because I wanna enjoy the process of writing code rather than just reviewing code.

Basically I'm just stuck within the constraints I put for myself :(, I'm not sure why I wrote this here, probably just wanted to let it out..

nonrandomstring · 8 months ago
You have "epistemic integrity'.

I heard someone say "epistemic humility" the other day to mean fallibilism [0] and the conversation got interesting when we moved on to the subject of "what one can and should reasonably claim to know". For example: should cops know the law?

Not every programmer needs to be a computer science PhD with deep knowledge about obscure data-structures... but when you encounter them it's a decision whether to find out more.

Integrity is discomfort with "hand-waving and magical" explanations of things that we gloss over. Sure, it's sometimes expedient to just accept face-value and get the job done. Other times it's kinda psychologically impossible to move forward without satisfying that need to know more.

Frighteningly, the world/society puts ever more pressure on us to just nod along to get along, and to accept magic. This is where so much goes wrong with correctness and security imho.

[0] https://iep.utm.edu/fallibil/

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